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Oh dear, another Senior Officer headwear error...

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Old 12th Nov 2012, 21:26
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Ding Ding, everyone back on the outrage bus:

49:47 into yesterday's Cenotaph Ceremony on BBC IPlayer; CAS has his poppy on the 'wrong side' ie his right lapel . I expect CASWO was elsewhere

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Old 12th Nov 2012, 21:46
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Now he nearly got it right...if only he wasn't wearing that greatcoat! CASWO? Take another b0ll0cking!

0133. Emblems should be of conventional dimensions and are to be worn immediately above the right breast pocket of the No 1 SD jacket and in the corresponding position on warm-weather dresses, jerseys, CS95 field jacket and shirts. When worn with the greatcoat it is to be worn on the left lapel. In order to avoid damaging the waterproof materials, emblems should not be worn with the GPJ, CS95 gortex or jeltex outerwear.
My goodness, he has to do one thing right - surely it can't be that difficult, even for a RAF Copper!
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Off topic, but watching the Remembrance Day parade, I noticed F/L Wales wearing white gloves. I thought only AVM and above wore those?

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Originally Posted by Guernsey Girl II
Ding Ding, everyone back on the outrage bus:

49:47 into yesterday's Cenotaph Ceremony on BBC IPlayer; CAS has his poppy on the 'wrong side' ie his right lapel . I expect CASWO was elsewhere

It was like that on Saturday for the Lord Mayor's parade too!
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Old 13th Nov 2012, 05:21
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Originally Posted by chippy63
Off topic, but watching the Remembrance Day parade, I noticed F/L Wales wearing white gloves. I thought only AVM and above wore those?
All officers when carrying a sword.
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Dear God ... if only we put as much effort into fighting HM's enemies and politicians as we do in to hammering each other just because someone happened to be wearing a poppy on the 'wrong' side, then I reckon we'd have smashed the Afghan campaign in a couple of weeks and be twice the size we are now.

Priorities guys, priorities. I really don't think the likes of 'The Few' are sitting on their clouds criticizing where people wear their poppies. If we get so hung up on the mechanics of the thing, we run the risk of the intent and meaning getting lost.
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Wearing the wrong hat was a bit trivial, poppy in the wrong buttonhole is right down there in the noise. Well said Melchett.

I also have to confess to never having read all the bits of regs that told me how to tie my shoelace or which socks to wear with which trousers, so could easily have committed one of those henous crimes. A certain (then) Gp Capt Bill Wra***n did once throw me out of the Bar at Coningsby one Friday night for wearing flying boots with number twos. AFTER I'd bought him a beer.

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Old 13th Nov 2012, 10:13
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Maybe it's because most of us realise we dont have and never did have a hope in hell of "smashing the Afghan campaign" that we turn our attention to these matters.

Anyway it's much more fun poking fun at senior officers' faux pas in dress matters, than considering the ongoing nightmare mess in Afghanistan.
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Thanks, Climebear. we didn't have swords in the UAS!!
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Anyone got access to the highly amusing pic of Harold Wilson wearing a bonedome back-to-front?
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Originally posted by melchett01
Priorities guys, priorities. I really don't think the likes of 'The Few' are
sitting on their clouds criticizing where people wear their poppies. If we get
so hung up on the mechanics of the thing, we run the risk of the intent and
meaning getting lost.
Heartily agree, some of the merchants posting on here who see everything in "black and white" would have been more at home in the Luftwaffe during the B of B.

Example below, dear God, how many of us knew this. PPRuNe does have it's educational side.

Anyway, CAS could have been correctly dressed if he had been wearing a flying suit, a PCS No 3 Smock and Forage Cap. Sadly he has the ightweight jacket and not the smock on. The rules for this are para 0613/0614 of the AP1358 chapter on aircrew dress.

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more at home in the Luftwaffe during the B of B.
Ahh the Luftwaffe uniform of WWII, much smarter and with so many options. Excellent SD hat, leather jackets, a nice powder blue outfit for "CAS"........
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I’m reminded of one of the many stories (some no doubt apocryphal) about Paddy Bandon, aka ACM The Earl of Bandon. Also aka The Abandoned Earl.

When he was CinC 2ATAF in Germany he was lunching at Laarbruch. After lunch he wandered into the ante-room, where he espied an FJ chap behind a paper, in uniform, but displaying bright red socks. Our Paddy tapped on the paper, and as said chap leaped to his feet, said
“What the hell d’you think yer doing, with red socks? Hmmm?”
“Well, Sir, I, I, errrr.....”
“Doncha know green is this week’s colour? Hmmm?”, sez Paddy, lifting one trizer leg to demonstrate exactly that.

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Ahh the Luftwaffe uniform of WWII, much smarter and with so many options.
Excellent SD hat, leather jackets, a nice powder blue outfit for "CAS"........
And a big stick to chastise anyone criticising his dress code.
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Example below, dear God, how many of us knew this. PPRuNe does have it's educational side.

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Anyway, CAS could have been correctly dressed if he had been wearing a flying suit, a PCS No 3 Smock and Forage Cap. Sadly he has the ightweight jacket and not the smock on. The rules for this are para 0613/0614 of the AP1358 chapter on aircrew dress.
I like to wear a different quirks of 'AP1358-authorised' uniform every day of the week - mostly just to p!ss off the petty SWO on my Stn (for some of the more obscure ones I print out an extract of the AP to show him when he starts off with "Sir, can I have word?" ).

It's just the little wins in life that make it all worthwhile...

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I like to wear a different quirks of 'AP1358-authorised' uniform every
day of the week - mostly just to p!ss off the petty SWO on my Stn
(for some of the more obscure ones I print out an extract of the AP to show him when he starts off with "Sir, can I have word?" ).

It's just the little wins in life that make it all worthwhile...
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"Unless you were a SWO when this was taken also take a b0ll0cking for the swo's stick."

CASWO is entitled to carry a cane which is slightly longer than a SWOs 'stick', this is what he has under his arm. Oh...and his previous post was a SWO!

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Last week at CASWOs conference, a SWO asked CAS during an open Q&A, "Why do we have to tuck our shirts in while wearing the new PCS while the Army have theirs out?".
CAS replied; "Coz I say so!". It brought a round of applause from the rest of the audience.
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Now that I like ! Well said CAS! ^^^^
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A certain (then) Gp Capt Bill Wra***n did once throw me out of the Bar at Coningsby one Friday night for wearing flying boots with number twos. AFTER I'd bought him a beer.
I would have been tempted to drop a 'number two' into his beer!

Excellent SD hat, leather jackets...
The leather jackets weren't ever official issue. But, as Courtney will confirm, fighter pilots have a certain rebellious élan. This was true even amongst the pilots of the Luftwaffe:



(picture to follow when the $hite new photobucket unbuggers itself...perhaps?)

Hence the leather 'cycling jacket' became a favourite - it only took the RAF another 50 years to come up with the 'Aircrew Leather Jacket'..... I once wore mine with blues when signing on as SDO, much to the chagrin of the SWO. He sent a nastygram to the squadron, stating that black leather jackets may not be worn with blues. The boss gave it a good ignoring, as both he and I knew that our jackets weren't black, but RAF blue!

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