Should've been fixed by now?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: cardiff
Posts: 598
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Should've been fixed by now?
Hello chaps, sorry to intrude; as former 'Phantom Phixer' I noticed one of HM's finest swing-wing contraptions turned up at my local airport
some 10 days hence, with an apparent technical problem.
It sat there for at least 4 days, then spent a week in the large maintenance hangar, still not fixed, after a weekend off, its still in same
place.
Now, 'when I' ; if an aeroplane was in similar predicament a gang of troops would be despatched to stay until it was fixed; it appears not so these days. Is this because of cost cutting and 'contractorisation' or de-skilling of the remaining workforce?
ttfn
some 10 days hence, with an apparent technical problem.
It sat there for at least 4 days, then spent a week in the large maintenance hangar, still not fixed, after a weekend off, its still in same
place.
Now, 'when I' ; if an aeroplane was in similar predicament a gang of troops would be despatched to stay until it was fixed; it appears not so these days. Is this because of cost cutting and 'contractorisation' or de-skilling of the remaining workforce?
ttfn
Last edited by ivor toolbox; 16th Oct 2012 at 09:51.
I have no idea why the jet you are talking about is there so I'm guessing.
What if the fault has been diagnosed but the part to repair it isn't in stock and needs a lead time? No point having people sat around wasting time and money when you could send a team to fit the part once it's in stock.
What if the fault has been diagnosed but the part to repair it isn't in stock and needs a lead time? No point having people sat around wasting time and money when you could send a team to fit the part once it's in stock.
And that's the point. In days gone by the part and manpower would have been available.
Not a good advert i would suggest, to have, what is obviously a Tornado, parked, doing bugger all except attracting the wrong attention.
Not a good advert i would suggest, to have, what is obviously a Tornado, parked, doing bugger all except attracting the wrong attention.
.
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Taif-Saudi Arabia
Age: 64
Posts: 229
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I would have thought most parts are available with the RTP program still ongoing at Leeming. I'm sure theres a hangar queen about or don't they rob anymore?
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Up North
Posts: 52
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Robbing does still happen but once a jet starts RTP the bits become the property of BAE and part of the ATTAC contract. This means that to get an item from RTP on D state is a proper faff on. Additionally items like nose landing gear legs are as rare as rocking horse crap but need to go to the bay at Maryanne for a serviceability check this can mean that a jet can sit D state for a leg for 2 to 3 weeks!!
From what I have noticed these days the big issue with Tonka is wiring and its aging!! Whilst skill fade and spares do on occasion hurt, the majority of long term problem children would appear to be sorted once a good old school lecky is wheeled out and chained to it!!
So your jet could still be there for a few reasons!!!
From what I have noticed these days the big issue with Tonka is wiring and its aging!! Whilst skill fade and spares do on occasion hurt, the majority of long term problem children would appear to be sorted once a good old school lecky is wheeled out and chained to it!!
So your jet could still be there for a few reasons!!!
I think its more to do with ground trades degradation of capabilities.
In the new MOD training regime; Fault Finding is a separate course from trade training?
In the last few weeks I have heard a few disturbing stories ranging from: Chinook engineers struggling to fix one at Staverton for some four days when a passing "old boy" recognised a visiting WO (sent to see what the issue was) stuck his nose in and pointed out what the issue was, more than 18 years since leaving the RAF!
In a second example; There was recently a perceived "need" for a WOs pre-departure walk-around before Puma's left a certain maintenance base? When the WO left the Stn Questions of who was going to do the check were asked! Surely Team Sgts and Chiefs are supposed to do that sort of thing? (or why can't they?)
What on Earth is going on?
Possibly the trouble with RTP is that the parts removed are...not good enough for use without being checked/repaired?
Just having "Lots of bits" does not make any of them serviceable.
In the new MOD training regime; Fault Finding is a separate course from trade training?
In the last few weeks I have heard a few disturbing stories ranging from: Chinook engineers struggling to fix one at Staverton for some four days when a passing "old boy" recognised a visiting WO (sent to see what the issue was) stuck his nose in and pointed out what the issue was, more than 18 years since leaving the RAF!
In a second example; There was recently a perceived "need" for a WOs pre-departure walk-around before Puma's left a certain maintenance base? When the WO left the Stn Questions of who was going to do the check were asked! Surely Team Sgts and Chiefs are supposed to do that sort of thing? (or why can't they?)
What on Earth is going on?
Possibly the trouble with RTP is that the parts removed are...not good enough for use without being checked/repaired?
Just having "Lots of bits" does not make any of them serviceable.
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: The Fletcher Memorial Home
Age: 59
Posts: 303
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Rigga
Especially when the servicing philosophy in certain areas seems to be based on "what boxes do we have on the shelf" rather than "what boxes could actually cause the fault?"
Allegedly
Especially when the servicing philosophy in certain areas seems to be based on "what boxes do we have on the shelf" rather than "what boxes could actually cause the fault?"
Allegedly
one of HM's finest swing-wing contraptions
Why do ppruners talk in this manner? It's something I've noticed a lot - 'the sand box' instead of Afghanistan, referring to airports by their four letter ICAO designator rather than just saying Heathrow or wherever, or saying 'those windswept islands in the SA just off Argentina' when you mean the Falklands etc.
Being cryptic doesn't make you clever, just an annoying knob.
Join Date: May 2006
Location: 2 m South of Radstock VRP
Posts: 2,042
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
For some of us, it's part of the game and a bit of fun; and there is more than one way to be "an annoying knob".
Edited to add one of those bloody annoying smiley things.
Edited to add one of those bloody annoying smiley things.
Last edited by GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU; 17th Oct 2012 at 09:10.
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Cloud9
Posts: 365
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
melmothtw
Melmo, your tone would suggest that you are not military/ex-military.
Please advise lest I comment inappropriately.
HB
Please advise lest I comment inappropriately.
HB
Last edited by Halton Brat; 17th Oct 2012 at 11:38.
I seem to remember when the Tornado came into service we were issued with a booklet with all the acronyms used in relation with the a/c. Took a while but soon became second nature.
If the implications are that there exists several ways to be an annoying knob, I feel it would be more correct to use the expression
and there are more ways than one to be "an annoying knob".
Last edited by diginagain; 17th Oct 2012 at 12:31.
Chris Kebab - fair enough, and well spotted. A hypocrite then I guess.
Halton Brat - not ex/Military (a stint in the CCF notwithstanding), but a forces brat so well versed in the vagaries of forces humour.
Halton Brat - not ex/Military (a stint in the CCF notwithstanding), but a forces brat so well versed in the vagaries of forces humour.
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Blighty
Posts: 113
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Spot on!
Spot on Ogre!. Spot on. As a driver and engineer the philosophy of people changing bits rather than working out what caused the fault gets on my tits.
Too many electric aeroplanes these days........takes all the fun out of it.
Too many electric aeroplanes these days........takes all the fun out of it.
Last edited by TT2; 17th Oct 2012 at 12:38.
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Cloud9
Posts: 365
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
melmo-I thought so
Melmo, dear chap; in case you hadn't noticed, this is a military forum, in which your Boy Scout/Girl Guide/CCF experience counts for nought.
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers who have taken the Oath, worn the uniform & even loitered in harm's way occasionally, have cultivated our own vocabulary and (often rich) manner of speech. This has been so for centuries. It has sustained us in hard times, and is an intrinsic facet of Service life.
I am not surprised that you cannot comprehend readily the scribings of the pprune community; you are not qualified to stand amongst these august ranks. Think yourself fortunate that you are able to spectate from the touch-lines, and have the courtesy to refrain from using offensive & disparaging language towards those who have served their country -unlike yourself, whose greatest peril was probably an ill-fitting pair of Boots, DMS.
HB
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers who have taken the Oath, worn the uniform & even loitered in harm's way occasionally, have cultivated our own vocabulary and (often rich) manner of speech. This has been so for centuries. It has sustained us in hard times, and is an intrinsic facet of Service life.
I am not surprised that you cannot comprehend readily the scribings of the pprune community; you are not qualified to stand amongst these august ranks. Think yourself fortunate that you are able to spectate from the touch-lines, and have the courtesy to refrain from using offensive & disparaging language towards those who have served their country -unlike yourself, whose greatest peril was probably an ill-fitting pair of Boots, DMS.
HB
Last edited by Halton Brat; 17th Oct 2012 at 13:54.
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 268
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Melmo, if I were to use the correct term for you I suspect that it would get picked up by the swear filter.
I shall therefore try to be cryptic.
You sir, are something that would be found at the end of a bell.
I shall therefore try to be cryptic.
You sir, are something that would be found at the end of a bell.