So much wrong about this....
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BBC News - Royal Navy pay docked after £1.2m MoD overpayment
So, once again, those that cock up make others pay............
Any overpayment will have to be repaid, and in most cases servicemen and women will be docked up to four days' pay a month until the £1.2m is paid back.
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Not good.
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"while those who have now left the military will have to repay the money in instalments."
What authority does the MoD have to command people who have left the service to pay back money if they were not to know ?
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"while those who have now left the military will have to repay the money in instalments."
What authority does the MoD have to command people who have left the service to pay back money if they were not to know ?
I don't see why you think this is wrong.
I'm just surprised that this went "unnoticed" for so long...
I suspect that if it had been MPs who had been accidentally overpaid for so long and none of them had noticed, there would have been considerably more outrage..
I'm just surprised that this went "unnoticed" for so long...
I suspect that if it had been MPs who had been accidentally overpaid for so long and none of them had noticed, there would have been considerably more outrage..
...but there wouldn't have been anyone above them to extract a sum of money from their pay each month. And these folk didn't commit fraud to be in receipt this money. Most probably didn't know there was anything wrong.
...yes, I was "delighted" by that too. Imagine an Armed Forces chap, thown out for fraud and being allowed back in (at a higher rank) a couple of years later with a note saying "All is fogiven".
Disgusting.
Disgusting.
...but there wouldn't have been anyone above them to extract a sum of money from their pay each month. And these folk didn't commit fraud to be in receipt this money. Most probably didn't know there was anything wrong.
So if "most" probably didn't know anything was wrong, what about those who did know something was wrong?
I was once paid twice an allowance - I flagged it up immediately.
Four days pay per month is a bit strong, granted.
But the outrage would be doubled here if the headline read, "Sailors underpaid by £x million- MOD says it's too late to put it right."
CG
But the outrage would be doubled here if the headline read, "Sailors underpaid by £x million- MOD says it's too late to put it right."
CG
I'm not questioning whether it should be paid back. My beef is that MPs, who ultimately make the rules, do not appear to be bound by them in the same way they expect other public servants to be.
Of course the system is equally quick to make sure people get their just entitlement such as the PAS and Spec aircrew Flt Lts who have been paid the wrong LOA since JPA came into being. Allegedly the PACC are looking into it!
So basically this story is saying that a small number of employees within an organisation that has over 35,000 staff received money to which they were not entitled. It is now seeking to claim that money back.
I'm struggling to spot the issue here - if they'd been underpaid then there would have been howls of outrage, and as all the pay slips often note, it is your responsibility to notify JPA of overpayments.
I appreciate its frustrating - I'm currently paying off a £1200 tax bill caused by an overpayment leading to a tax refund, which in turn changed to a tax repayment when HMRC got JPA to sort their stuff out. Ultimately though, its about getting what you are entitled to - no more, no less.
I'm struggling to spot the issue here - if they'd been underpaid then there would have been howls of outrage, and as all the pay slips often note, it is your responsibility to notify JPA of overpayments.
I appreciate its frustrating - I'm currently paying off a £1200 tax bill caused by an overpayment leading to a tax refund, which in turn changed to a tax repayment when HMRC got JPA to sort their stuff out. Ultimately though, its about getting what you are entitled to - no more, no less.
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It's already been done:
Dans ce pays-ci il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres.
In this country it is found requisite, now and then, to put an admiral to death, in order to encourage the others.
Voltaire's "Candide" - observation on the execution of Admiaral Byng for being a bit slack at the battle of Menorca.
Perhaps a decent flogging would suffice, then at least you could use the miscreants again.
Anyway, the sum involved - £1.2 million - is trivial in the big picture; probably wouldn't cover the MoD tea fund for half a year.
Mister B
Dans ce pays-ci il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres.
In this country it is found requisite, now and then, to put an admiral to death, in order to encourage the others.
Voltaire's "Candide" - observation on the execution of Admiaral Byng for being a bit slack at the battle of Menorca.
Perhaps a decent flogging would suffice, then at least you could use the miscreants again.
Anyway, the sum involved - £1.2 million - is trivial in the big picture; probably wouldn't cover the MoD tea fund for half a year.
Mister B
But the outrage would be doubled here if the headline read, "Sailors underpaid by £x million- MOD says it's too late to put it right."
Mel,
Correct. Isn't the consequence in this case, that MOD must arrange the collection of the overpayment and suffer the slings n arrows in the process?
Is free tea a perk in the MOD? I'm sure HMRC would like to know- it might be 'a benefit in kind'.
CG
so it is the ministry that should bear the consequences
probably wouldn't cover the MoD tea fund for half a year.
CG
Last edited by charliegolf; 5th Sep 2012 at 10:31.
Nice to see the pprune outrage bus on its weekly outing.
An under- or over-payment from any Government ministry should be rectified unless there are exceptional reasons why not. End of.
An under- or over-payment from any Government ministry should be rectified unless there are exceptional reasons why not. End of.
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So much wrong about this....
BBC News - Royal Navy pay docked after £1.2m MoD overpayment
Quote:
Any overpayment will have to be repaid, and in most cases servicemen and women will be docked up to four days' pay a month until the £1.2m is paid back.
So, once again, those that cock up make others pay Back............
BBC News - Royal Navy pay docked after £1.2m MoD overpayment
Quote:
Any overpayment will have to be repaid, and in most cases servicemen and women will be docked up to four days' pay a month until the £1.2m is paid back.
So, once again, those that cock up make others pay Back............
I make that an average of £2800-odd per Sailor - Hardly a large sum by todays standards.
The only problem here would be putting people into hardship.
The starting Payscale for a confirmed AB is £17,515 to £28,940 I would aver that those in the crosshairs would be at the upper level and of a higher Rate so no one is going to starve.
And from the BBC Webby
"Where repayment of monies is appropriate, procedures are in place to prevent any hardship to individuals."
Servicemen and women are able to appeal against the decision through the Service Personnel and Veterans Agency.
It was a balls up- endex - Take it on the chin - move on
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One bod or bodess was in it for £17000..
As for MP's, should be the same as that Police Commisioner hopeful that had a caution and had to withdraw.... As an MP is supposedly higher up the food chain they too should be banned from holding office if the y have a criminal offence against them
As for MP's, should be the same as that Police Commisioner hopeful that had a caution and had to withdraw.... As an MP is supposedly higher up the food chain they too should be banned from holding office if the y have a criminal offence against them