General Dempsey Attacks SpecOps Group for Protesting Whitehouse Leaks
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Do you reckon the Senior Commanders are going to agree with the Colonel?
What say we compare the Colonel's forecasts to current events shall we.....and at the same time compare it to the forecasts and promises of the Senior Commanders shall we.
Which version best fits where we are two years down the line from when the Good Colonel wrote that Letter?
The Taliban have infiltrated the Afghan units.
We can no longer do joint Patrols out of risk of more Blue on Green attacks.
The Taliban certainly do not seem to be going away and have more of a presence than two years ago.
Our Casualties are up both in rate and in gross numbers.
I suspect there is more truth than not in what he wrote and I bet there is absolutely no interest in the US or UK Army to honestly investigate and report on the situation as it would ruin some Careers and cause some folks to miss out on Promotions.
Has there been a Military in this World that has taken such a hard view of itself.....ever?
Remember Colin Powell and his cover up of My Lai?
Did the American Army ever reconsider its strategy during Vietnam?
I am sure the British Army has had ample opportunity to rethink some of its Wars but never did while the things were underway.
What say we compare the Colonel's forecasts to current events shall we.....and at the same time compare it to the forecasts and promises of the Senior Commanders shall we.
Which version best fits where we are two years down the line from when the Good Colonel wrote that Letter?
The Taliban have infiltrated the Afghan units.
We can no longer do joint Patrols out of risk of more Blue on Green attacks.
The Taliban certainly do not seem to be going away and have more of a presence than two years ago.
Our Casualties are up both in rate and in gross numbers.
I suspect there is more truth than not in what he wrote and I bet there is absolutely no interest in the US or UK Army to honestly investigate and report on the situation as it would ruin some Careers and cause some folks to miss out on Promotions.
Has there been a Military in this World that has taken such a hard view of itself.....ever?
Remember Colin Powell and his cover up of My Lai?
Did the American Army ever reconsider its strategy during Vietnam?
I am sure the British Army has had ample opportunity to rethink some of its Wars but never did while the things were underway.
Col Harry D Hillman is clearly a highly educated, forceful and controversial guy, but there do seem to be two sides to the story, with alleged criticism from within his own brigade.
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I have a question for you guys.....especially the ones that are just back and those that are going again.
You are a Unit Commander in Afghanistan.....one of your Squaddies comes up to you and asks the following question of you.
"Sir, I am getting worried about what my mission is here....what is our Mission, our reason for being here, how will I know we have won this War....just what the Hell am I fighting for here....what are we accomplishing by what we do here every day?"
What do you tell him? Don't try to tell me this hasn't cropped up....and is not a valid issue.
If we cannot articulate our Mission, Strategy, and Reason for fighting the War to a Private Soldier.....and do so convincingly....should we be there?
You are a Unit Commander in Afghanistan.....one of your Squaddies comes up to you and asks the following question of you.
"Sir, I am getting worried about what my mission is here....what is our Mission, our reason for being here, how will I know we have won this War....just what the Hell am I fighting for here....what are we accomplishing by what we do here every day?"
What do you tell him? Don't try to tell me this hasn't cropped up....and is not a valid issue.
If we cannot articulate our Mission, Strategy, and Reason for fighting the War to a Private Soldier.....and do so convincingly....should we be there?
"Forward, the Light Brigade!"
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the soldier knew
Someone had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the soldier knew
Someone had blunder'd:Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
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Or, the more applicable Version.....
If your officer's dead and the sergeants look white,
Remember it's ruin to run from a fight:
So take open order, lie down, and sit tight,
And wait for supports like a soldier.
Wait, wait, wait like a soldier . . .
When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier ~of~ the Queen!
Remember it's ruin to run from a fight:
So take open order, lie down, and sit tight,
And wait for supports like a soldier.
Wait, wait, wait like a soldier . . .
When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier ~of~ the Queen!
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Afghanistan has always been a difficult country to subdue.
On January 6, 1842, the British began their withdrawal from Kabul. Leaving the city were 4,500 British troops and 12,000 civilians who had followed the British Army to Kabul. The plan was to march to Jalalabad, about 90 miles away.
On the 13th of January, just seven days after the retreat commenced, one man, bloody and torn, mounted on a miserable pony, and pursued by horsemen, was seen riding furiously across the plains to Jalalabad. That was Dr. Brydon, a British Army surgeon, the sole survivor out of 16,500 people. It was believed the Afghans let him live so he could tell the grisly story.
Nothing seems to have changed.
Bob C
On January 6, 1842, the British began their withdrawal from Kabul. Leaving the city were 4,500 British troops and 12,000 civilians who had followed the British Army to Kabul. The plan was to march to Jalalabad, about 90 miles away.
On the 13th of January, just seven days after the retreat commenced, one man, bloody and torn, mounted on a miserable pony, and pursued by horsemen, was seen riding furiously across the plains to Jalalabad. That was Dr. Brydon, a British Army surgeon, the sole survivor out of 16,500 people. It was believed the Afghans let him live so he could tell the grisly story.
Nothing seems to have changed.
Bob C
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Dempsey is at it again.....Political Correctness is his Idol.
American Women can now be in Combat Arms....and tote rifles in the Infantry, serve in Artillery and Armor units. We were assured there would be no reduction in standards.
Of course we knew better based upon the Army's past actions re such matters. The Standards go down.....not up!
Well.....Sissy Pants Dempsey just made it public.
A Woman fails to meet a Standard....Commanders have to document the failure, then JUSTIFY the Standard.
So it Begins: Pentagon Considering Lowering Military Standards to Help Include More Women « Pat Dollard
All this Women in Combat sounds nice.....if one Marge wishes to enlist and be an Infantry Soldier or Marine.
You will notice they did not require Women to register for Conscription under the Selective Service Act which all Males have to do at age 18.
Since the only reason they have hot had to do so in the past is they were forbidden to be in Combat.
What is going to be the reaction of America's Women Folk when they have to register and forbid....get called up and find themselves in an Infantry unit in combat somewhere?
Political Correctness is going to destroy the Military.
American Women can now be in Combat Arms....and tote rifles in the Infantry, serve in Artillery and Armor units. We were assured there would be no reduction in standards.
Of course we knew better based upon the Army's past actions re such matters. The Standards go down.....not up!
Well.....Sissy Pants Dempsey just made it public.
A Woman fails to meet a Standard....Commanders have to document the failure, then JUSTIFY the Standard.
So it Begins: Pentagon Considering Lowering Military Standards to Help Include More Women « Pat Dollard
All this Women in Combat sounds nice.....if one Marge wishes to enlist and be an Infantry Soldier or Marine.
You will notice they did not require Women to register for Conscription under the Selective Service Act which all Males have to do at age 18.
Since the only reason they have hot had to do so in the past is they were forbidden to be in Combat.
What is going to be the reaction of America's Women Folk when they have to register and forbid....get called up and find themselves in an Infantry unit in combat somewhere?
Political Correctness is going to destroy the Military.
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Amazing.
It MIGHT all go well for a few years until some really tough
conflict and then it all falls apart.
A team is only a strong as it's weakest link.
It MIGHT all go well for a few years until some really tough
conflict and then it all falls apart.
A team is only a strong as it's weakest link.
Importantly, though, if we do decide that a particular standard is so high that a woman couldn’t make it, the burden is now on the service to come back and explain to the secretary, why is it that high?
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Does it matter?
If an established standard is in place and has been arrived at over many years of experience....what magically changed it to being improper?
The argument is not about Women in Combat....lord knows enough of them have served and died already. The argument is about those women meeting established training standards just as every other Soldier has had to do and has to do.
Combat is not a place we wish to do social experimentation.
I am waiting for the outcry from the NOW Femi-Nazi's over the fact they are not subject to the Draft.....but I shan't hold my damn breath while I do.
Right there is a "Standard" Women need to meet now that they are Combat eligible.
If an established standard is in place and has been arrived at over many years of experience....what magically changed it to being improper?
The argument is not about Women in Combat....lord knows enough of them have served and died already. The argument is about those women meeting established training standards just as every other Soldier has had to do and has to do.
Combat is not a place we wish to do social experimentation.
I am waiting for the outcry from the NOW Femi-Nazi's over the fact they are not subject to the Draft.....but I shan't hold my damn breath while I do.
Right there is a "Standard" Women need to meet now that they are Combat eligible.
