Post 1945 campaigns
If one really must bring up the tired old subject of kills, could someone please advise how many 'kills' have been achieved by other air forces in the same period. It would be nice to be able to make a meaningful comparison!
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Not sure that would be a meaningful comparison because it depends on the type of conflicts - the USA had a bit of a major conflict going on in Vietnam that gave plenty of opportunity for air-to-air action that the UK (sensibly) declined to get involved in & the Israelis have had numerous opportunities whilst having to defend their country from attack. I'm sure the latter would have welcomed the (relative) peace that we have enjoyed post WW2.
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"the Israelis have had numerous opportunities whilst having to defend their country from attack."
How about "the Israelis have had numerous opportunities whilst attacking others and defending their country from attack".
They have a pretty good record and numbers.
How about "the Israelis have had numerous opportunities whilst attacking others and defending their country from attack".
They have a pretty good record and numbers.
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Pretty much a complete list since 1964
Operations involving MAMS since 1964
Humanitarian Ops involving MAMS since 1964
Operations involving MAMS since 1964
Humanitarian Ops involving MAMS since 1964
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But how many aircraft has the RAF brought down in air-to-air combat in this period?
You must be a senior officer or politician with thinking like that 
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RC,
Second Cod War.
Then there are other operations whose details will be frozen in time
Second Cod War.
Then there are other operations whose details will be frozen in time
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Getting back to the original question: how about Palestine (leading up to the establishment of Israel and just after)? A number of RAF aircraft were lost, and if anecdotal evidence (bar chat, a very long time ago) is to be believed, a number of RAF aircraft were also "lost", only to magically be found (if never acknowledged) wearing something other than a roundel.
Pedant's hat on - Beira Patrol not 'Baira Oil Lift'. We found the tankers, the navy stopped them.
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Have you tried
A history of conflicts
and
Post-war aviation historian and writer - Vic Flintham
good for background?
Have you tried
A history of conflicts
and
Post-war aviation historian and writer - Vic Flintham
good for background?
Might one tentatively mention the RAF Regiment which the last I heard was also part of the RAF. Whilst their flying counterparts were being frustrated in basically having nobody to shoot down in these minor conflicts, the same could not be said on the ground. I knew an RAF Regiment officer who had won the Military Cross for action in Aden, and in the same theatre a friend of mine personally accounted for three would-be gunmen who unwisely thought that attacking a vehicle armed with a GPMG would be a good idea! In the air the Hunter squadrons were admittedly not shooting down other aircraft, but their Aden guns saw plenty of use in support of troops on the ground in up-country actions.
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TTN, what you mention of course is that the RAF forte is offensive action rather than defensive.
You mention Hunters, was the Argosy bomber ever used? Did the Shacklebomber use is guns in anger?
You mention Hunters, was the Argosy bomber ever used? Did the Shacklebomber use is guns in anger?
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Did the UK get involved in World War Eleven?
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On Radio 4 this morning, they ran a story about the anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima. The only survivor of the crew still with us is the navigator. The teacher at a high school in the States introduced him as a veteran of World War Eleven!!!!!!!!!!!
WW 11...... Sigh, you wouldn't believe a teacher could be that dumb.
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On Radio 4 this morning, they ran a story about the anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima. The only survivor of the crew still with us is the navigator. The teacher at a high school in the States introduced him as a veteran of World War Eleven!!!!!!!!!!!
WW 11...... Sigh, you wouldn't believe a teacher could be that dumb.
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Pedant's hat on - Beira Patrol not 'Baira Oil Lift'. We found the tankers, the navy stopped them.
Might one tentatively mention the RAF Regiment which the last I heard was also part of the RAF. Whilst their flying counterparts were being frustrated in basically having nobody to shoot down in these minor conflicts, the same could not be said on the ground. I knew an RAF Regiment officer who had won the Military Cross for action in Aden, and in the same theatre a friend of mine personally accounted for three would-be gunmen who unwisely thought that attacking a vehicle armed with a GPMG would be a good idea! In the air the Hunter squadrons were admittedly not shooting down other aircraft, but their Aden guns saw plenty of use in support of troops on the ground in up-country actions.
You mention Hunters, was the Argosy bomber ever used? Did the Shacklebomber use is guns in anger?
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Nov4, Heliotrope was operated only from main base. I don't know if St Mawgan was involved but we certainly were. Not sure quite what the rate of effort was, I think it was one sortie per day throughout.
First off was finding the fleet. Then the mail drop. Then the direct support.
I remember one incident when we got "Strangle your gadget I am about to operate my hooter." The frigate, which at the time was shoulder to shoulder with a gunboat then operated his hooters at full power which I suspect rather overload the gunboat radar.
First off was finding the fleet. Then the mail drop. Then the direct support.
I remember one incident when we got "Strangle your gadget I am about to operate my hooter." The frigate, which at the time was shoulder to shoulder with a gunboat then operated his hooters at full power which I suspect rather overload the gunboat radar.
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Note the wink at the end of AA's post. Do believe you may have been hooked
But how many aircraft has the RAF brought down in air-to-air combat in this period? 