Recce Reminders from Yesteryear
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Recce Reminders from Yesteryear
Some mid-week trivia:
It may be an age-related thing, but for some reason, completely unbidden, into my synapses popped some of the cute phrases we used to use to aid identification or friendly and non-friendly hardware.
For example, when we had lots of RN surface vessels, frigates of various types (and ages) sailing contemporaneously, to sort out Whitby/Rothesay/Tribal from the more modern Leander: you could "meander round a Leander" - i.e. there was walkway around the central superstructure that was not there for for the others.
One of the more common Sov frigates to be found around UK waters was the Krivak, which had four large missile tubes in front of the central superstructure - So "tea vac on a Krivak"; corny, but served its purpose.
On to land kit: the one that sticks out most memorably is for the (then) new SAM, SA-10. The connection is from a film called "10", starring a rather busty actress, Bo Derek. She was a Big Bird (long-range acquisition radar for the SA-10) over whom you could "Flap Lid" (engagement radar) about her "Clam Shell" (target acquisition)...and so on for other SAM sytems.
There are many others, these just sprang to the frontal lobes first. So if you're bored, or want to be distracted from the upcoming sports days, please add your own memories, or if they are unclassified, any current cute reminders
Mister B
It may be an age-related thing, but for some reason, completely unbidden, into my synapses popped some of the cute phrases we used to use to aid identification or friendly and non-friendly hardware.
For example, when we had lots of RN surface vessels, frigates of various types (and ages) sailing contemporaneously, to sort out Whitby/Rothesay/Tribal from the more modern Leander: you could "meander round a Leander" - i.e. there was walkway around the central superstructure that was not there for for the others.
One of the more common Sov frigates to be found around UK waters was the Krivak, which had four large missile tubes in front of the central superstructure - So "tea vac on a Krivak"; corny, but served its purpose.
On to land kit: the one that sticks out most memorably is for the (then) new SAM, SA-10. The connection is from a film called "10", starring a rather busty actress, Bo Derek. She was a Big Bird (long-range acquisition radar for the SA-10) over whom you could "Flap Lid" (engagement radar) about her "Clam Shell" (target acquisition)...and so on for other SAM sytems.
There are many others, these just sprang to the frontal lobes first. So if you're bored, or want to be distracted from the upcoming sports days, please add your own memories, or if they are unclassified, any current cute reminders
Mister B
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On 56(F), our navigator of 'dusky appearance' wasn't too keen on the recce feature of the Coontz-class destroyer, a large lattice work structure in front of the second funnel, being described as a 'coon cage'....
We were spared those interminable recce briefs about tanks and other Sovietski pongo machinery as an AD squadron. So no 'GT wheels' etc., thankfully.
One brave student once gave a recce brief about some Russki tank or other. Having introduced his subject, he put on a slide. Which was totally blank except for a little dot in the middle. "Here we have the T-** tank. This is the sight picture at the 1667 yard release range. You will notice the curved handrails, slack tracks, GT wheels and the position of the muzzle brake.......". Point made about stupid recce briefs for anyone except spies lurking in that famous upstairs window from which most recce photos seemed to have been taken.
The Stn Cdr at Heaven-in-Devon was always asking "How can you tell it's one of theirs, not one of ours?". So I joked to one mate that he should say that ours would be heading East, whereas theirs would be heading West. He then did so - and we all thought that the Stn Cdr was going to blow a gasket! But he realised he'd been out-witted by the Fg Off's union, so just stalked out with a face like thunder.
We were spared those interminable recce briefs about tanks and other Sovietski pongo machinery as an AD squadron. So no 'GT wheels' etc., thankfully.
One brave student once gave a recce brief about some Russki tank or other. Having introduced his subject, he put on a slide. Which was totally blank except for a little dot in the middle. "Here we have the T-** tank. This is the sight picture at the 1667 yard release range. You will notice the curved handrails, slack tracks, GT wheels and the position of the muzzle brake.......". Point made about stupid recce briefs for anyone except spies lurking in that famous upstairs window from which most recce photos seemed to have been taken.
The Stn Cdr at Heaven-in-Devon was always asking "How can you tell it's one of theirs, not one of ours?". So I joked to one mate that he should say that ours would be heading East, whereas theirs would be heading West. He then did so - and we all thought that the Stn Cdr was going to blow a gasket! But he realised he'd been out-witted by the Fg Off's union, so just stalked out with a face like thunder.
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The BMP was a 'Battle Machine with Planks' due to the plank-like glacis plate.
And further to BEags remark on the lack of need for recce briefs, a pongo of my acquaintance once told me:
"If we shoot at everything that flies, 80% of the time we'll be right!!"
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That sounds rather like the blessed Roger (buckethead) A****n; not known for his tolerance, or love of navigators. I was Stn Nav, Intel Off, SFSO, stand-in Ops Wg Adj in the early '80s...just about any job that the pilots did not want to do.
Part of one of the above job descriptions was to deliver the recce quiz at morning brief. The recce syllabus was split about 60/40 aircraft to mud kit recognition, so I took care to warn the selected victim, staff or stude (I was a sympathetic chap back then) what slide I would ask them to identify. Unfortunately staish twigged quite quickly, so made me stop this cooperative practice and choose random fall guys (the number of staff being asked fell of course, which he also twigged). In the end I went totally random, but put up only the easy to identify slides.
I thought BMP was "Bring More Pongos" as it is an APC; the double doors at the back end (along with the narrow low pressure tracks and the low flat turret in the middle for the cognoscenti) were the giveaway.
Anyone remember what the rest of the SA-6 ensemble was? Gainful and Straight Flush is all my little grey cells can summon right now.
Mister B
That sounds rather like the blessed Roger (buckethead) A****n; not known for his tolerance, or love of navigators. I was Stn Nav, Intel Off, SFSO, stand-in Ops Wg Adj in the early '80s...just about any job that the pilots did not want to do.
Part of one of the above job descriptions was to deliver the recce quiz at morning brief. The recce syllabus was split about 60/40 aircraft to mud kit recognition, so I took care to warn the selected victim, staff or stude (I was a sympathetic chap back then) what slide I would ask them to identify. Unfortunately staish twigged quite quickly, so made me stop this cooperative practice and choose random fall guys (the number of staff being asked fell of course, which he also twigged). In the end I went totally random, but put up only the easy to identify slides.
I thought BMP was "Bring More Pongos" as it is an APC; the double doors at the back end (along with the narrow low pressure tracks and the low flat turret in the middle for the cognoscenti) were the giveaway.
Anyone remember what the rest of the SA-6 ensemble was? Gainful and Straight Flush is all my little grey cells can summon right now.
Mister B
MisterB, I can neither confirm nor deny that the Gp Capt in question had the same surname as a certain British motor manufacturer. But yes, indeed he regarded navigators as rather lower forms of life....
The poor old SNavO was often on the receiving end. Having been told off for pointing at things on the morning nav brief slides with his finger, he made himself a cardboard arrow to use as pointer....
The very next day, he proudly used said device, to roars of laughter from the assembled throng. For unfortunately his skill with scissors hadn't been that good and the arrow had rather a rounded end. It looked to all the world as though he'd flopped his 'gentlleman's part' out onto the OHP as a direct insult to the said Gp Capt
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The poor old SNavO was often on the receiving end. Having been told off for pointing at things on the morning nav brief slides with his finger, he made himself a cardboard arrow to use as pointer....
The very next day, he proudly used said device, to roars of laughter from the assembled throng. For unfortunately his skill with scissors hadn't been that good and the arrow had rather a rounded end. It looked to all the world as though he'd flopped his 'gentlleman's part' out onto the OHP as a direct insult to the said Gp Capt
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Kara class ASW destroyer had a very large structure supporting the main radar which I think also housed the funnel.
You could get a Karavan down the funnel
I won't use the C-word as BEags despises of the oiks' choice of mobile holiday accom.
You could get a Karavan down the funnel
I won't use the C-word as BEags despises of the oiks' choice of mobile holiday accom.
Our Recce Board was headed - "Know your Enemy."
It usually sported pictures of the likely opposition - MiGs and Komars etc, with a suitable and hopefully memorable phrase appended.
This day it was a press photo of our Hard Working PM getting into one of our helicopters for a freebie, wearing his loan clothing bonedome – back to front – you could tell it was back to front because the sun visor was keeping the sun off the back of his neck.
The memorable phrase was "... to avoid the glare of publicity when backing out of solemn undertakings."
Something to do with an impending conflict over Sou*****n Rhod****a I think.
LFH
It usually sported pictures of the likely opposition - MiGs and Komars etc, with a suitable and hopefully memorable phrase appended.
This day it was a press photo of our Hard Working PM getting into one of our helicopters for a freebie, wearing his loan clothing bonedome – back to front – you could tell it was back to front because the sun visor was keeping the sun off the back of his neck.
The memorable phrase was "... to avoid the glare of publicity when backing out of solemn undertakings."
Something to do with an impending conflict over Sou*****n Rhod****a I think.
LFH
Krivak = Cigarette pack (the large missile box on the front)
Udaloy = upside-down U-shaped cutout beneath the superstructure
BMP = bring more planks
MTLB = mini turret, long body OR my tank's a long bugger
BTR60, 70 and 80 have their exhausts mounted at 60, 70 and 80 degrees to the vertical respectively
You can "See In" a "CN"235 because it has windows, unlike the similar G222.
Udaloy = upside-down U-shaped cutout beneath the superstructure
BMP = bring more planks
MTLB = mini turret, long body OR my tank's a long bugger
BTR60, 70 and 80 have their exhausts mounted at 60, 70 and 80 degrees to the vertical respectively
You can "See In" a "CN"235 because it has windows, unlike the similar G222.
Not that I'm a complete spotter / geek, but:
AMX-30 has toblerone shaped exhausts (note other confectionary is available)
Leopard 2 has 2 circular engine grills on its rear deck
T-54 has a clean barrel, T-55 has a counterweight at the end
T-72 has a letterbox exhaust at rear left hand side
T-80 has wheels in pairs and fuel drums on top of rear deck due to exhaust position
AMX-10P has a 10p coin slot in the track guard and the engine grills form the figure 10 from above
M2 Bradley has eyebrows on the glacis plate
BRDM-2 has D shaped footrests in the sides
VBL is Very Buggy Like
AMX-155 GCT has a Great Central Turret
Geppard cannons looked like chicken drumsticks
The RN helpfully labelled their Type 22s as Fxx, 23s Fxxx and the 42s as Dxx
Ocean has a big 0 on the rear deck
LCAC landing craft have LCAC on the side!
Oh alright, I admit it, I'm a sad spotter.
AMX-30 has toblerone shaped exhausts (note other confectionary is available)
Leopard 2 has 2 circular engine grills on its rear deck
T-54 has a clean barrel, T-55 has a counterweight at the end
T-72 has a letterbox exhaust at rear left hand side
T-80 has wheels in pairs and fuel drums on top of rear deck due to exhaust position
AMX-10P has a 10p coin slot in the track guard and the engine grills form the figure 10 from above
M2 Bradley has eyebrows on the glacis plate
BRDM-2 has D shaped footrests in the sides
VBL is Very Buggy Like
AMX-155 GCT has a Great Central Turret
Geppard cannons looked like chicken drumsticks
The RN helpfully labelled their Type 22s as Fxx, 23s Fxxx and the 42s as Dxx
Ocean has a big 0 on the rear deck
LCAC landing craft have LCAC on the side!
Oh alright, I admit it, I'm a sad spotter.