Scotland would get 18 fast jets plus 26 helos if it splits
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Excellent debating, point well made.
You're guessing wrong, never happen and certainly not to Single Mother England!
Apologies if I have come across as bullying
Terms like "Mother England" are a little bit offensive
you should widen your reading a little bit, salad-dodger
We are not leaches, nor fools.
Our vote in 2014 will be a choice made of pragmatism not idealism.
I would also suggest that making light of the tough situation Spain finds itself in isn't the kindest way to treat your fellow man.
Right, off to make the most of the weather and the beautiful countryside of Mother England.
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Simplicity dear boy, it got the message across with the minimum of waffle.
Not at all, you come across as the typical ABE Scottish football fan.
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You really are a bit of a prat.
Thankfully atypical of English folk in general and humanity specifically.
Oh - the first line was devoid of waffle and to the point.
You really are a bit of a prat.
Thankfully atypical of English folk in general and humanity specifically.
Oh - the first line was devoid of waffle and to the point.
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Then if working and based in the UK they must either have the right to work in the UK by birth/relationship or have a work visa which allows them to work in the UK - if they have neither then they are working illegally. BA may have staff working in other countries who are not entitled to work in the UK which is fine so long as they satisfy that countries work requirements.
BA(BEA) used to have a Highlands and Islands division - Viscounts VFR into Benbecula in poor viz anybody
I suppose a Scottish passport holder could work for a Scottish division of BA but not one which may require you to reside and work in the UK.
HF
I think BA have employees from many independent non EU countries unless of course Singapore, Malaysia, Japan etc have recently joined the EU without my noticing. BA may also cease all operations to EDI, GLA and ABZ but I have doubts that they will.
BA(BEA) used to have a Highlands and Islands division - Viscounts VFR into Benbecula in poor viz anybody
I suppose a Scottish passport holder could work for a Scottish division of BA but not one which may require you to reside and work in the UK.HF
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With the Jubilee celebrations and the forthcoming London Olympiad having turned the place red, white and blue for what has been several months, (seems longer), I find it surprising that the most recent poll by TNS-BMRB only shows 50% of Scots in favour of the Union.
You'd think that with the complete absence of media support for the Yes campaign, (with the sole exception of The Scottish Sun), that figure would be much higher.
What is the UK military footprint in Scotland, both current and projected, when compared to the alternative?
You'd think that with the complete absence of media support for the Yes campaign, (with the sole exception of The Scottish Sun), that figure would be much higher.
What is the UK military footprint in Scotland, both current and projected, when compared to the alternative?
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Then if working and based in the UK they must either have the right to work in the UK by birth/relationship or have a work visa which allows them to work in the UK - if they have neither then they are working illegally. BA may have staff working in other countries who are not entitled to work in the UK which is fine so long as they satisfy that countries work requirements.
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Lets face it - the chances are that the Scots will go - if they want to become Mexico to our USA then fine.... but I'll bet their economy will be in crisis in 5 years
The SNP are very big on what they are going to give but don't have a clue on how they are going to finance it
One thing that has struck me is that once they are independent it's going to be much harder for any Scot to get/keep a job in England - all that extra paperwork for a start - "your papers please"
The SNP are very big on what they are going to give but don't have a clue on how they are going to finance it
One thing that has struck me is that once they are independent it's going to be much harder for any Scot to get/keep a job in England - all that extra paperwork for a start - "your papers please"
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No. They would be employed in their country of domicile and employed either by an overseas subsidery of the UK company or through an agent based in any country. Most International airlines have crews based at large airports along their route tentacles.
No. They would be employed in their country of domicile and employed either by an overseas subsidery of the UK company or through an agent based in any country. Most International airlines have crews based at large airports along their route tentacles.
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A Commonwealth citizen doesn't have any right to dual citizenship.
There are hundreds of questions that need to be answered before one could make a reasoned answer to the question "Could Scotland be a successful independent country"? Unfortunately the calibre of politicians we have makes this virtually impossible to answer as myths are dressed up as facts and facts twisted to give the answer the politician wants.
It will come down to what each individual thinks will be best for his personal circumstances - there are very few Scots who will vote on the premise of " Damn the consequences it is independence for me!"
I am a Brit (Welsh mother English father) living in Scotland married to a Scot with one English and one Scottish child. So, for example, I have one question I want answered - as a non Scot will I be an expat and have my pension paid by the UK and who will pay my wife's pension as she is a native Scot?
When questioned about such details the SNP answer is that once we have conned you into voting for independence then these details will be negotiated with the UK Government - talk about turkeys voting for Xmas
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A Commonwealth citizen doesn't have any right to dual citizenship.
There are hundreds of questions that need to be answered before one could make a reasoned answer to the question "Could Scotland be a successful independent country"? Unfortunately the calibre of politicians we have makes this virtually impossible to answer as myths are dressed up as facts and facts twisted to give the answer the politician wants.
It will come down to what each individual thinks will be best for his personal circumstances - there are very few Scots who will vote on the premise of " Damn the consequences it is independence for me!"
I am a Brit (Welsh mother English father) living in Scotland married to a Scot with one English and one Scottish child. So, for example, I have one question I want answered - as a non Scot will I be an expat and have my pension paid by the UK and who will pay my wife's pension as she is a native Scot?
When questioned about such details the SNP answer is that once we have conned you into voting for independence then these details will be negotiated with the UK Government - talk about turkeys voting for Xmas
HF
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
If Scotland stays part of the Commonwealth would it's citizens be eligible for dual citizen ship with Britain?
However, assuming that an independent Scotland was accepted into the EU; though the Spanish and/or Italians might use a veto to stop a precedent being sent for their own regions such as Catalonia doing the same in future; then they could be employed anywhere in the EU and could vote in local and European elections - though not a general election.
*Edited to add that, based on the precedent of the independence of Ireland (both my parents were Irish borne before 1922), those Scots borne before independence as British would retain that and would possess dual nationality. Those borne after would only have Scottish nationality.
The issue of the nationality of the children of Scots born elsewhere in the UK would probably follow the same rules as implemented by the Irish constitution (up to the Scots parliament of course) where anyone having a parent or grandparent from Ireland is entitled to claim Irish citizenship.
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No. They would be employed in their country of domicile and employed either by an overseas subsidery of the UK company or through an agent based in any country. Most International airlines have crews based at large airports along their route tentacles.
No. They would be employed in their country of domicile and employed either by an overseas subsidery of the UK company or through an agent based in any country. Most International airlines have crews based at large airports along their route tentacles.
Am I getting close?
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As far as I know all aircrews working for BA mainline are EU citizens with JAR Licenses. It is highly unlikely that BA would employ aircrew who don't have the right to work in the UK as it would make scheduling and fleet moves too difficult. BALPA may also have a say in the matter as there are too many unemployed pilots as it is in the UK. This sort of nitty gritty employment law is what Scots need to think of very carefully before voting for independence.
Independence is for life and WILL change Scotland's relationship with the rest of the UK.
HF
As far as I know all aircrews working for BA mainline are EU citizens with JAR Licenses. It is highly unlikely that BA would employ aircrew who don't have the right to work in the UK as it would make scheduling and fleet moves too difficult. BALPA may also have a say in the matter as there are too many unemployed pilots as it is in the UK. This sort of nitty gritty employment law is what Scots need to think of very carefully before voting for independence.
Independence is for life and WILL change Scotland's relationship with the rest of the UK.
HF
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However, assuming that an independent Scotland was accepted into the EU; though the Spanish and/or Italians might use a veto to stop a precedent being sent for their own regions such as Catalonia doing the same in future; then they could be employed anywhere in the EU and could vote in local and European elections - though not a general election.
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Anybody reading this thread would be forgiven for thinking that:
a) The EU, with all the freedom of movement and trade which goes with it, doesn't exist.
(Both Scotland and the UK of E, W & NI would be bound to all EU treaties entered into by the previous Govts. of the UK of GB & NI; including membership of the EU).
b) The UK, in its current form, is unique amongst Western states in that it has no national debt.
c) The first consequence for an independent Scotland will be to see Hadrian's Wall moved north-eastwards and to take the form of a barrier more akin to that separating the two Koreas.
(Even at the height of the troubles, people/goods/services still moved freely between Northern Ireland and that part of Ireland which, within living memory, was also once part of the UK)
d) Scotland's First Minister, The Rt. Hon Alex Salmond MSP, and his party receive not one ounce of popular support in Scotland.
(How exactly do you get a Majority Government in a system designed to produce only Minority/Coalition Governments?)
e) There is no apetite for political change in Scotland whatsoever.
(Despite the most patriotic and royalist outpouring of Britishness since the end of WWII, current polls indicate that support for the Union in Scotland remains steady at 50%)
a) The EU, with all the freedom of movement and trade which goes with it, doesn't exist.
(Both Scotland and the UK of E, W & NI would be bound to all EU treaties entered into by the previous Govts. of the UK of GB & NI; including membership of the EU).
b) The UK, in its current form, is unique amongst Western states in that it has no national debt.
In 2010-11, Scotland’s estimated net fiscal balance was a deficit of £18.6 billion (15.6 per cent of GDP) when excluding North Sea revenue, a deficit of £17.9 billion (14.7 per cent of GDP) when including a per capita share of North Sea revenue or a deficit of £10.7 billion (7.4 per cent of GDP) when a geographical share of North Sea revenue is included. In 2010-11, the equivalent UK position including 100 per cent of North Sea revenue, referred to in the UK Public Sector Accounts as ‘net borrowing’, was a deficit of £136.1 billion (or 9.2 per cent of GDP)
c) The first consequence for an independent Scotland will be to see Hadrian's Wall moved north-eastwards and to take the form of a barrier more akin to that separating the two Koreas.
(Even at the height of the troubles, people/goods/services still moved freely between Northern Ireland and that part of Ireland which, within living memory, was also once part of the UK)
d) Scotland's First Minister, The Rt. Hon Alex Salmond MSP, and his party receive not one ounce of popular support in Scotland.
(How exactly do you get a Majority Government in a system designed to produce only Minority/Coalition Governments?)
e) There is no apetite for political change in Scotland whatsoever.
(Despite the most patriotic and royalist outpouring of Britishness since the end of WWII, current polls indicate that support for the Union in Scotland remains steady at 50%)
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As far as I know all aircrews working for BA mainline are EU citizens with JAR Licenses
This is the beginning of the end of Scotland's share in the North Sea oil industry.
Press and Journal - Article - Chinese snap up North Sea fields
Press and Journal - Article - Chinese snap up North Sea fields
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This is the beginning of the end of Scotland's share in the North Sea oil industry.
