Scotland would get 18 fast jets plus 26 helos if it splits
If they get it can we please stop putting clocks back an hour for winter!
I wonder what scottish car number plates and tax discs will look like? (setting up things like this will cost em all their oil money - unless the Shetlands decide to go their own way and keep it for themselves :-)
I wonder what scottish car number plates and tax discs will look like? (setting up things like this will cost em all their oil money - unless the Shetlands decide to go their own way and keep it for themselves :-)
An English person with two children of 15 and sixteen could get a job in Scotland next year. He would then be in time to be put on the voter's role; as would his now 16 and 17 year old children. They, knowing that they won't be in the country in a couple of years because their dad is going to move on, couldn't care how or why they vote.
Going back to your first family, if they couldn't care how or why they vote, I suspect they won't vote.
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Spain will veto Scotland membership of the EU
If Spain vetos the option of Scotland joining the EU, as a defence against Catalan independence, what will the England / Scotland border look like?
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Spain will veto Scotland membership of the EU
If Spain vetos the option of Scotland joining the EU, as a defence against Catalan independence, what will the England / Scotland border look like?
If Spain vetos the option of Scotland joining the EU, as a defence against Catalan independence, what will the England / Scotland border look like?
... Of course by that time i'll have my bags packed, house and contents sold and have all of my hard-earned safely in an offshore account
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"If Spain vetos the option of Scotland joining the EU, as a defence against Catalan independence, what will the England / Scotland border look like?"
Exactly as it does now - mots of it is some of the bleakest countryside in the nation
No doubt the good people of Carlisle/Gretna/Berwick & Coldstream will find a way to make some cash on price differences once the Scots go their own way
Exactly as it does now - mots of it is some of the bleakest countryside in the nation
No doubt the good people of Carlisle/Gretna/Berwick & Coldstream will find a way to make some cash on price differences once the Scots go their own way
No doubt the good people of Carlisle/Gretna/Berwick & Coldstream will find a way to make some cash on price differences once the Scots go their own way
BBC News - Northumberland council in 'booze bus promotion' row
NATO membership of an independent Scotland proving controversial.
BBC News - MSPs John Finnie and Jean Urquhart quit SNP over Nato policy
BBC News - MSPs John Finnie and Jean Urquhart quit SNP over Nato policy
Wonderful. NATO won't let a new bunch of CND fanatics in and Europe will make them apply from scratch (how many years could that take?). So Scottish independence would put them right out in the cold, all alone. No right to cross anyone's borders, no defence and none of the usual functions of government. Others have mentioned some, but imagine that they will have to set up:
Passport Office.
Post Office.
Vehicle Licencing Office.
Excise and Revenue Office.
A fully separate Police Force (nearly there on that one).
Health Service.
Ministry of Defence.
Numerous other ministries.
Scottish Rail (not ScotRail).
Television and Radio (not funded by another country).
Regulators for all the above.
Thousands of NGOs.
Border Agency.
Heather Infarction Council.
Fisheries and Agi.
Scottish Telecomm (BT will want all their copper wire back to replace the stuff that keeps getting nicked).
Scottish Aviation Authority.
A mapping agency (OS don't work for free).
Etc.
A lot of stuff will require validating/licencing/certifying:
Universities that no longer come under UK regulation.
Schools, curricula, etc.
Drug licencing.
Driver licencing (although I suspect an old UK one will become acceptable).
Vehicle Safety.
Financial Services.
H&S (bless)
Chemical and Radiological Licencing.
Commercial prcatices.
Ect.
Anyway, you get the idea. They have quite a lot, but there is much more to establish and then fund forever. Even if they get their 18 jets and 26 helos, good luck running them and setting up the rest of the country. Really.
Passport Office.
Post Office.
Vehicle Licencing Office.
Excise and Revenue Office.
A fully separate Police Force (nearly there on that one).
Health Service.
Ministry of Defence.
Numerous other ministries.
Scottish Rail (not ScotRail).
Television and Radio (not funded by another country).
Regulators for all the above.
Thousands of NGOs.
Border Agency.
Heather Infarction Council.
Fisheries and Agi.
Scottish Telecomm (BT will want all their copper wire back to replace the stuff that keeps getting nicked).
Scottish Aviation Authority.
A mapping agency (OS don't work for free).
Etc.
A lot of stuff will require validating/licencing/certifying:
Universities that no longer come under UK regulation.
Schools, curricula, etc.
Drug licencing.
Driver licencing (although I suspect an old UK one will become acceptable).
Vehicle Safety.
Financial Services.
H&S (bless)
Chemical and Radiological Licencing.
Commercial prcatices.
Ect.
Anyway, you get the idea. They have quite a lot, but there is much more to establish and then fund forever. Even if they get their 18 jets and 26 helos, good luck running them and setting up the rest of the country. Really.
You may be right, Coff. But if they don't go, can we expect a new wave of fanatical Scottish fundamentalists starting a jihad to throw of the imperialist yoke of English oppression?
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Should be easy to spot such individuals ... wode is blue isn't it 
IF it goes ahead ... Day 1 ... Air Exclusion Zone north of the 54th parallel ... with complementary CAPs.
Far simpler to put the bu99er on trial for Treason
IF it goes ahead ... Day 1 ... Air Exclusion Zone north of the 54th parallel ... with complementary CAPs.
Far simpler to put the bu99er on trial for Treason
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I can understand the Scots being really concerned on both sides of the argument, but why do we English get so emotive over this? If the Scots wish to leave the UK then let them, if they do why would we wish to make life hard for them afterwards?! Its the same with Northern Ireland, if a majority there ever vote to leave the UK whats the issue!?
If I was Scottish I would probably vote to leave the UK but can say the same about the EU. At the end of the day the majority of people in the UK are English, if all the other bits of the UK were to drop away then it won't exactly be the end of the world. The British Empire is gone, maybe in the coming years there will not be a Britain anymore! Nothing lasts forever ie British Empire, Roman Empire, Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Prussia, South Vietnam, Rhodesia, East Germany, Yugoslavia, all gone.
If I was Scottish I would probably vote to leave the UK but can say the same about the EU. At the end of the day the majority of people in the UK are English, if all the other bits of the UK were to drop away then it won't exactly be the end of the world. The British Empire is gone, maybe in the coming years there will not be a Britain anymore! Nothing lasts forever ie British Empire, Roman Empire, Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Prussia, South Vietnam, Rhodesia, East Germany, Yugoslavia, all gone.
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RR ...
I have no issue with the argument you put forward ... that's your view.
It's just that I, and countless others (including many Scottish friends), simply believe in the collective power/good of a United Kingdom which benefits all ... and not the rantings of some deranged idiot bent on pushing his own political career/agenda no matter the consequencies when he's finally consigned to history.
I have no issue with the argument you put forward ... that's your view.
It's just that I, and countless others (including many Scottish friends), simply believe in the collective power/good of a United Kingdom which benefits all ... and not the rantings of some deranged idiot bent on pushing his own political career/agenda no matter the consequencies when he's finally consigned to history.
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Would the Scottish take pilots already serving in the RAF or would they have to start a new training program for aircrew and pilots before they started flying anything?
Unless they want to put billions, many billions into building an entire air force, it's probably a non-starter. IMHO.
Far better to leave the UK and say that the remaining nations can provide their defence for free. Or maybe we'd even have to pay rent on the bases to go and do it!
Far better to leave the UK and say that the remaining nations can provide their defence for free. Or maybe we'd even have to pay rent on the bases to go and do it!
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