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One Less Job for Navs - ISTAR mission commanders to be replaced by WSOPs?

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Old 18th Jul 2012, 12:59
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One Less Job for Navs - ISTAR mission commanders to be replaced by WSOPs?

Is it true that all ISTAR Navs are to be replaced by WSOPs? There is a rumour going around that this is going to happen sooner rather than later to allow Navs/WSOs to go to fleets with a shortfall.

Might be happening on the Sentinel to begin with. Makes sense when you think about it as the WSOPs are the experts.
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you wouldn't happen to be another journalist by any chance?

I'm sure the serving members would love to know the source of those rumours
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One Less Job for Navs - ISTAR mission commanders to be replaced by WSOPs?

Utter hoop. Simple as that.
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Not least because all ISTAR assets are to be transferred to the AAC
Makes sense really as they Army are the primary users of the data
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Not least because all ISTAR assets are to be transferred to the AAC
Utter hoop. Simple as that
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Good, I presume that the WSO(AE) fraternity can now get back to running the ISTAR show rather than having Nav's nick their jobs
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you wouldn't happen to be another journalist by any chance?
Why would a journalist be interested in that? Its hardly earth shattering news.
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Indeed. The average journo probably wouldn't know the difference either.
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What are you talking about? There is no such thing as a nav any more is there? Do ISTAR mission commanders need to navigate?
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What would the QWI(ISTAR)'s do otherwise?! And yes, I don't know why they use the "W" in that either. Oh, wait, I think I can guess....
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If I recall correctly on Dominie trg sorties, the Nav used to work the RADAR, radios, nav kit and also the navigation. The pilot would fly the aircraft and execute the final command function. The AEOp, read WSOp(AE) in new money, would collect/issue the in flight choccy bars, spot Oscar class submarines in Cambridge High Street, ask the Nav for a position and then go into flurry of activity as a "Jerry Morse-tapper" at 20 words per minute. So just remind me, who has the better trained skill set?

Both Nav and AEOp stude would get the opportunity to work as Co-pilot to the skipper in the front seats, to get the idea what flying was all about!

iRaven

PS I agree that the original question is "hoop"...
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iRavem, WSOps, read AEOpmin your old money, did all of the above, if you drag yourself a bit further into the not too distant past.
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The AEOps didn't get to practice the flight in the classroom and then the Sim before the flight though!

As for better trained skill set, it took a lot of time and effort to get anything useful out of the new Navs even after the OCU, but the new NCA were productive staight away as they could use the galley
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Fewer.
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I'm certainly not a journalist, just someone who heard a rumour and was looking to see if anyone could expand or dispel it.

I too thought it was 'utter hoop' when I first heard it, but there is a lot of sense in it when it was explained. And if this releases some qualified Navs to go to sqns who are desperately short of Navs, it seems they may be able to kill two birds with one stone.
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Maybe the army should do it. ISTAR is used by the army.
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'twas originally an Army project...remember the Platypus Islander?
That died a death because of the RAF successfully Borging the project - and changing it from low cost robust short-field system to a nice comfy business jet.
If the Islanders had been built they could probably have flown from the new carriers - without catapults
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Keep taking the tablets guys! Your tinfoil hats are on order. What is the islanders max altitude?
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Maybe the army should do it. ISTAR is used by the army.
Only if you consider ISTAR to be purely in support of a Land Commander. Actually that's a small (but admittedly rather time consuming) part of what ISTAR is all about.

That said I would be pleasantly surprised if anyone from the army realised that military activity and foreign policy is bigger than the army.
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A fair point and well presented. I just think it would be better that ISTAR that is supporting the army COULD be a little more efficient if army ISTAR dudes were involved. Maybe a whole can of worms may get opened on this topic
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