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Reports of 2 RAF planes crashing in Moray firth

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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 16:18
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Originally Posted by jamier
If anyone has anymore info can they pm me please, was at Lossie till last year. Hoping and praying both crews got out ok.
Same here, was on the force for 20+ years, left last year so PM's welcomed.

Glad 2 are safe, hope they recover quickly. Prayers for those missing , thoughts are with their families, friends & colleagues.
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Stopped to show the missus the Commando monument near Spean Bridge just after 1300 local. While the scenery was spectacular, the pair of gr4s tracking east down the great glen held our attention. My guess is they were "targetting" the swing bridge further down the glen. What a beautiful day it was for flying. Hoping the 2nd crew are recovered safe.
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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 17:02
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...praying for a happy ending...
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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 17:13
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BBC Radio 4 just reported it (unsurprisingly) as a midair collision.
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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 17:28
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From what I have just heard not a happy ending for one of the two recovered.

Not willing to provide details so please do not ask.

General thoughts as an ex GR1 driver. Its a hard and dangerous business and the RAF has maintained a very good safety record on the GR1/4 fleet.

From time to time even the best of us make mistakes, when they occur at low altitiude and high speed the results are usually fatal.

Thoughts go out to the families.

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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 17:29
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The AIS is only showing the Coastguard helo. There will be others in the area - not all have AIS.

Good luck to all involved.
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Torque,

a bad day today I fear. Thoughts with all at Lossie

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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 17:44
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Keeping everything crossed for all involved. Thoughts with families and all Tonka boys and girls. Bad day out.....
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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 17:46
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Stn Cdr RAF Lossiemouth confirming loss of 2 aircraft on BBC but no other details:

BBC News - Two missing after two RAF Tornados crash in Moray Firth

with a transcript here on MOD website:

Ministry of Defence | Defence News | Defence Policy and Business | UPDATED: RAF Tornado incident

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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 17:54
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Not going to speculate on causes but a safe outcome for all is all that matters. I know all the folks up there will be at 101% to get the right result.

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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 17:57
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My thoughts and prayers are with all concerned.

From an ex-FJ mate.
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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 17:57
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Not going to speculate on causes but a safe outcome for all is all that matters. I know all the folks up there will be at 101% to get the right result.
Well said.
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Fingers crossed for the crews and best wishes to everyone at Lossiemouth on a difficult day.
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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 18:06
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Fingers are very firmly crossed.

Hoping for the best.
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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 18:21
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Let's hope it's a good outcome for everyone, a mild comfort is at least the best SAR in the world is out there for the guys!
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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 18:39
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Poor weather

It has been reported that there was thick fog in the area at the time. Fingers crossed for some good news on the other crew.
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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 18:45
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Stn Cdr RAF Lossiemouth confirming loss of 2 aircraft on BBC but no other details:
I knew Ian very well at Bruggen when we all served together on a superb Tonka Sqn. My thoughts go to him because I know he will be hurting at this time. My thoughts also go to all family and friends of those involved.
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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 19:13
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Shipais.com showing SAR Helo still on task at 1948......we all live in hope and fingers crossed though the Scottish TV news saying very poor vis in the search area with sea fog.
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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 19:34
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This site's more user friendly: Live Ships Map - AIS - Vessel Traffic and Positions
It's showing R100 heading back to Stornoway, hopefully for a crew change and return to the scene. Not heard anything from SARF media, presumably Lossie SAR are still on task? Thoughts are with the families and colleagues.
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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 19:55
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RAF SAR don't have AIS transmit. I don't think they ever got AIS receive either - certainly not before I left.

Sumburgh may have gone home - they have had a long day - but I'm sure Lossie will still be at it - and RCC have to work at maintaining some asets at readiness for other calls.

Pray.
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