How to get rid of a Hercules
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How to get rid of a Hercules
So what do you do when you have a fleet of time-expired Hercules'?
Simples - you just off-load them to the nearest 3rd world neighbour
Indonesia to receive heavy lift planes from Australia
Indonesia to receive heavy lift planes from Australia - The West Australian
Any other bright ideas for getting rid of your rubbish?
Simples - you just off-load them to the nearest 3rd world neighbour
Indonesia to receive heavy lift planes from Australia
Indonesia to receive heavy lift planes from Australia - The West Australian
Any other bright ideas for getting rid of your rubbish?
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Rubbish ? I thought they still worked fine ?
Well, 50 years ago we were going to bomb them,
now we are giving them planes and are best buddies
and train a fair few of their troops.
Why not put Gillard on one of the Hercs when they are
delivered as a freebie thrown in ?
Well, 50 years ago we were going to bomb them,
now we are giving them planes and are best buddies
and train a fair few of their troops.
Why not put Gillard on one of the Hercs when they are
delivered as a freebie thrown in ?
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Airborne Aircrew, there's a huge difference in the life span of an unpressurised airframe like a Dak (which can virtually go on forever) and a pressurised airframe like a Herc, (which has a life cycle element). However, having said that, I'm led to believe that the problem with the H models we've just "gifted'(!) to the Indonesians is in the wing boxes, which are in need of replacement, which involves big money. (Why am I horribly suspicious that the long-suffering Australian taxpayer might well pay for those wing box replacements, which are "too expensive" for the ADF to have done, but might be a quite acceptable expense if we've giving the aircraft away?)
The bigger scandal is in the two Chinooks we're BUYING(!!!!) from the Americans with money we will have to borrow in toto to "gift" to the Indonesians, when our own Army Aviation would probably kill to have two more CH-47 airframes in their inventory, if only to cannibalise part from them, because after the recently announced Defence cuts, they couldn't afford to operate them.
The bigger scandal is in the two Chinooks we're BUYING(!!!!) from the Americans with money we will have to borrow in toto to "gift" to the Indonesians, when our own Army Aviation would probably kill to have two more CH-47 airframes in their inventory, if only to cannibalise part from them, because after the recently announced Defence cuts, they couldn't afford to operate them.
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Andu...gifting Chinooks to Indonesia?
That's the first I've heard of that. We have recently...as in the last few days... taken delivery of two ex-US Army Chooks. They are being worked on in Townsville and it is my understanding they will be operated by Army Aviation.
We have a need for one in Afghanistan at the moment, after the in-theatre aircraft was badly bent in a landing incident.
That's the first I've heard of that. We have recently...as in the last few days... taken delivery of two ex-US Army Chooks. They are being worked on in Townsville and it is my understanding they will be operated by Army Aviation.
We have a need for one in Afghanistan at the moment, after the in-theatre aircraft was badly bent in a landing incident.
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C130 H's to Indonesia.
I was of the understanding that the C130H aircraft to be "gifted" to Indonesia were to be given "as is - where is" and that the refurbishment said to be required to bring the mothballed gift aircraft back to airworthiness was to be at the expense of the Indonesians. I would be interested to know if they are now airworthy and if they are, are they the original four moth-balled aircraft? Even if our remaining C130H models are in need of centre section wing box upgrade it is likely only because of Ms Gillard's political need to bring the Budget into surplus that would preclude the upgrade being done. As good as the C130J is, it is still not up to par with the C130H in all phases of operation as far as I know.
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The H airframes to be gifted have not yet been identified, and there is talk of the Indons and possibly others in the region taking more than four subject to US FMS approval. Hopefully the RAAF Museum and maybe AMTDU can keep at least one each...
The deal is the aircraft to be gifted will not be refurbished, but will come with sufficient hours remaining before their next scheduled mx periods to be operationally viable, but the Indons will be responsible for all future scheduled mx.
Lots of work to be done yet though...
The deal is the aircraft to be gifted will not be refurbished, but will come with sufficient hours remaining before their next scheduled mx periods to be operationally viable, but the Indons will be responsible for all future scheduled mx.
Lots of work to be done yet though...
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Plus the promise of a billion dollar loan which we will add to the money that we already borrow from China to gift to a selection of those to the north - gross financial incompetence (don't mention the co2 tax!). The Indons are laughing their t1ts off at this labor government.
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"The Indons are laughing their t1ts off at this labor government."
+1, Well said.
We also have to help them get up some sort of system to try to find
the boats as they leave. I somehow can't see the Indonesians giving
much thought to that.
What was that I read about helping the Indonesians with SAR ?
+1, Well said.
We also have to help them get up some sort of system to try to find
the boats as they leave. I somehow can't see the Indonesians giving
much thought to that.
What was that I read about helping the Indonesians with SAR ?
