RAF VC-10 SAR mission
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RAF VC-10 SAR mission
I believe one of the R.A.F.'s remaining VC-10 aircraft has been deployed on a
north atlantic S.A.R. mission. Any one got any further details ?
Be lucky
David
north atlantic S.A.R. mission. Any one got any further details ?
Be lucky
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If it's anything like the one I did a few years ago, the best use of the jet is for radio relay/C&C platform while a Sea King does the business at low level. It depends how far from land the incident is.
They may also be trying to search for an emergency signal on guard or tanking a Herc which can drop rescue kit.
They may also be trying to search for an emergency signal on guard or tanking a Herc which can drop rescue kit.
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Search AND Rescue!?!
Now that would be worth seeing
Ok I'll get my coat! but if only we had a long range SAR platform.... no hang on a minute it is supposed to be covered by Dept of Transport by now
Now that would be worth seeing
Ok I'll get my coat! but if only we had a long range SAR platform.... no hang on a minute it is supposed to be covered by Dept of Transport by now
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Must be an absolute let down, bobbing around in a storm or whatever to see your hopeful rescue arriving overhead to circle and simply give you a cheery wave.
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How recent was this one, didn't they go last month?
I wonder if this is to become a regular thing - for the next few months until they all go to Bruntingthorpe that is - what will they use then?
I wonder if this is to become a regular thing - for the next few months until they all go to Bruntingthorpe that is - what will they use then?
After the initial push in to Afghanistan (late 2001) and things were 'bedding in' for the long term, I was on det with a VC10 in the South Atlantic. Hercs were in strong demand for Afghan ops, and there was a threat to withdraw the one based alongside us at 1312 Flt and send it east. The HQ down there were in such a tizz about it that one day I received a phone call asking:
"If we lose the Herc, can the VC10 carry out Serach and Rescue ops?"
"If we lose the Herc, can the VC10 carry out Serach and Rescue ops?"
"Pardon?"
"For example, can the VC10 deploy ASRA kit?" (Air Sea Rescue Apparatus)"Sir, the VC10 doors open outwards, we cannot open them in flight ..... unless we wish to do ourselves harm!"
"But if we lose the Herc the VC10 will have to cover Search and Rescue!""No offence, Sir, but it isn't going to happen that way. The VC10 is a swept-wing, high speed, high altitude jet and we don't fanny about low and slow with the doors open!"
This is not a bar tale, this is what was actually being asked of me ..... by the people in Malvinas HQ ..... who are supposed to know the capabilities of equipment in theatre ......ffs.
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These are the same muppets who tried to order me to do a VC10 full power engine run in the hangar with the doors open......as that's what the tonkas did!
And yes the SAR shout did happen..
And yes the SAR shout did happen..
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Reminds me of the emergency lightweight tow bars, I remembered getting briefed that if base hangar went up and there was a Ten in there on jacks, one was to rush up, lift this tow bar up and attach it to the nose leg, hook it up to a tug and pull.... Yup you are hearing right.... Pull... the Ten off jacks and outside, someone seemed to have missed or skirted round a few minor points such as staging, gear possibly unlocked, jacks going through wings etc.
Freight door opens inwards
Freight door opens inwards
Since only VC10Ks were based in the Malvinas, the freight door question was somewhat irrelevant.
Unless things have changed and the VC10 now has an updated DF system (which I very much doubt..), locating a 121.5 or 406 MHz PLB will be impossible.
No maritime VHF either.
But if someone has a position for a 406 Mhz PLB and the HFs actually work so that the position can be transmitted to the crew, it's vaguely possible that the aircraft could be sent to the approximate area. But what it would do when it arrived on scene, I cannot imagine.....
Unless things have changed and the VC10 now has an updated DF system (which I very much doubt..), locating a 121.5 or 406 MHz PLB will be impossible.
No maritime VHF either.
But if someone has a position for a 406 Mhz PLB and the HFs actually work so that the position can be transmitted to the crew, it's vaguely possible that the aircraft could be sent to the approximate area. But what it would do when it arrived on scene, I cannot imagine.....
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NutLoose: Ref your Post #10 regarding towbars attached to aircraft undergoing maintenance reminds me of a visit a bunch of us made to the MU at St. Athan about a hundred years ago. A Valiant (I did say it was a long time ago) was quite clearly in the middle of a very deep maintenance check - with the towbar still attached. It didn't take long for someone to ask the obvious question and we were told that if anything occurred in the hangar that could endanger the aircraft, the tow-tug that was permanantly parked outside the hangar would be connected and pull the aircraft out of the hangar - in whatever condition it was in. If I remember correctly, this particular aircraft was up on jacks and minus its undercarriage. I've often wondered if that particular requirement was the result of a previous incident/accident or just precautionary. Interesting to hear that in this age of modern fire fighting/suppression systems etc., it's still followed. Apologies for thread drift.
TWZ,
I think you'll find the Department of Transport, or whatever its predecessor was called, has been responsible for SAR within the UK FIR since 1944:
Convention on International Civil Aviation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
See Annex 13.
Within the UK, as indeed in many countries, this international obligation has been met on behalf of the DofT by military assets. Initially only the military were capable, and there was no great desire to spend any money duplicating what the military could achieve.
Is the military/MOD today being honest to the DofT about what it can actually achieve now the Nimrod is no longer available. If I were the Minister of Transport I would be asking some probing questions, rather than believe all the mouth music being spouted by MOD about coverage provided by C130, etc...
I think you'll find the Department of Transport, or whatever its predecessor was called, has been responsible for SAR within the UK FIR since 1944:
Convention on International Civil Aviation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
See Annex 13.
Within the UK, as indeed in many countries, this international obligation has been met on behalf of the DofT by military assets. Initially only the military were capable, and there was no great desire to spend any money duplicating what the military could achieve.
Is the military/MOD today being honest to the DofT about what it can actually achieve now the Nimrod is no longer available. If I were the Minister of Transport I would be asking some probing questions, rather than believe all the mouth music being spouted by MOD about coverage provided by C130, etc...
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Since only VC10Ks were based in the Malvinas, the freight door question was somewhat irrelevant
Or even the emergeny chute, then you could watch everything you chucked out hitting the wing
As for SAR more like SAnoR
Chuck the dingy in the undercarriage door and raise the gear, after all I once saw a set of intake blanks deploy successfully after a new muppet out of training had managed to throw them in there having been told walk down the side and when you find an open door chuck them in there, unfortunately for him the freight door was closed, so the next opening was the main UC bay.
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The Nimrod could drop survival equipment - and even the Hercules could drop stuff off the ramp if any survivors are still alive by the time it has plodded its way to the scene.
The VC10K cannot drop any survival equipment and is totally useless as an 'SAR' asset except to relay messages and, assuming the Mk17 HDU actually works at low speed, refuel a C-130.
And how do you propose to open the cargo door from the inside?
The pointless escape chutes were removed years ago and were never een fitted to the VC10K4.
The VC10K cannot drop any survival equipment and is totally useless as an 'SAR' asset except to relay messages and, assuming the Mk17 HDU actually works at low speed, refuel a C-130.
Still had the front one though?
Or even the emergeny chute, then you could watch everything you chucked out hitting the wing
Or even the emergeny chute, then you could watch everything you chucked out hitting the wing
The pointless escape chutes were removed years ago and were never een fitted to the VC10K4.
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They may not have physically rescued anyone (although the Lindholm Gear has SAVED many a person) but having top cover when a long way off the coast gives (gave!) the rotary world a great deal of comfort.