SNP propose 7 Airbases for Scotland post Independence
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Its an opinion, nothing more, and no less valid than any of the other statements made on here.
In my opinion, the English economy would suffer greatly from disolution of the Union. So would the Scottish economy, simply because its bad for business for UKPLC.
I never said it was. There are, however, those on here that would argue that England would just shrug Scotland off and not notice. Now comments like that are as dangerous to the Union as the ones made by the SNP.
By the way, you're not still smarting from the rugby are you, 500N?
Because making a wild statement like that should be backed up with some facts and figures.
In my opinion, the English economy would suffer greatly from disolution of the Union. So would the Scottish economy, simply because its bad for business for UKPLC.
The British economy is not dependent on Scotland
By the way, you're not still smarting from the rugby are you, 500N?
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Ok its an opinion, fine but can I suggest when you post your opinion you make it clearer.
For what its worth heres mine, England would gain by 1, not having to pay subsidies to Scotland because of the Barnett formula. 2, A shipbuilding industry as all naval work would be carried out in the United Kingdom. 3, No more labour Governments. 4, More jobs as all UK govt services would be moved back south of the border followed by a lot of major businesses currently based on both sides of the border. 5, 9% off our national debt and the RBS debt going back north of the border. 6, Not having to listen to Alex Salmonds whinging
England would lose?....... erm nothing springs to mind
I dont want the UK to break up but like most of us south of the border have had enough of the whinging coming from North of the border
ts an opinion, nothing more, and no less valid than any of the other statements made on here.
For what its worth heres mine, England would gain by 1, not having to pay subsidies to Scotland because of the Barnett formula. 2, A shipbuilding industry as all naval work would be carried out in the United Kingdom. 3, No more labour Governments. 4, More jobs as all UK govt services would be moved back south of the border followed by a lot of major businesses currently based on both sides of the border. 5, 9% off our national debt and the RBS debt going back north of the border. 6, Not having to listen to Alex Salmonds whinging
England would lose?....... erm nothing springs to mind
I dont want the UK to break up but like most of us south of the border have had enough of the whinging coming from North of the border
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I can't say I'm in agreement with much of your last post. You'd still have Labour for example, there are many areas in England that will always support them. And you d probably still be able to hear Alex Salmonds whinging too, that I am certain of.
From what I've seen since this whole debate started, most of the whinging you speak of seems to be coming from south of the border. I've yet to meet a fellow Scot who wants this to happen. All I said was that it was bad news for England too and I firmly believe that.
I can't say I'm in agreement with much of your last post. You'd still have Labour for example, there are many areas in England that will always support them. And you d probably still be able to hear Alex Salmonds whinging too, that I am certain of.
From what I've seen since this whole debate started, most of the whinging you speak of seems to be coming from south of the border. I've yet to meet a fellow Scot who wants this to happen. All I said was that it was bad news for England too and I firmly believe that.
An interesting article in the latest edition of Janes Defence Weekly on the impact of Scottish independence.
Not only does it describe aspects of the SNP's defence policy as a triumph of naivety over reality, it has carried out some modelling of where an independent Scotland might fit into the international defence scope. Based on the current defence spending contribution of £3.3Bn, an independent Scotland allocating 1.5% of GDP to defence would come in between Portugal and Belgium whilst an allocation of 2.2% of GDP would see that position improve to put Scotland between Indonesia and Thailand.
Earlier in the same edition, there was also an article about how Russia is re-opening 3 bases on its Northern / Arctic flanks. All of them have long runways and in the Cold War were traditionally used as staging posts for trips over the Arctic or deep into the Atlantic & North Sea. So clearly, Scotland has nothing to worry about and will quite easily be able to cope with a couple of small Inf Bns.
Not only does it describe aspects of the SNP's defence policy as a triumph of naivety over reality, it has carried out some modelling of where an independent Scotland might fit into the international defence scope. Based on the current defence spending contribution of £3.3Bn, an independent Scotland allocating 1.5% of GDP to defence would come in between Portugal and Belgium whilst an allocation of 2.2% of GDP would see that position improve to put Scotland between Indonesia and Thailand.
Earlier in the same edition, there was also an article about how Russia is re-opening 3 bases on its Northern / Arctic flanks. All of them have long runways and in the Cold War were traditionally used as staging posts for trips over the Arctic or deep into the Atlantic & North Sea. So clearly, Scotland has nothing to worry about and will quite easily be able to cope with a couple of small Inf Bns.
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I'm not sure such a relatively low position on the world's military stage would bother Scotland in the slightest. The days are long gone when we provided hundreds of thousands to fall for the Empire, although there is probably still a disproportionately large Scots component of the Armed Forces. If the bigger players want to play games or have staging facilities, then there's such a thing as rent.
That said, the SNP are somewhat over optimistic and act like many who suddenly and unexpectedly find themselves in power. That is, like arseholes.
That said, the SNP are somewhat over optimistic and act like many who suddenly and unexpectedly find themselves in power. That is, like arseholes.
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"By the way, you're not still smarting from the rugby are you, 500N ?"
No, all good, I've been around long enough to see all of the major countries
to be on top at some stage.
And re the core discussion, I do have an interest as have a very Scottish name, part Scottish by ancestry but British by birth !
"By the way, you're not still smarting from the rugby are you, 500N ?"
No, all good, I've been around long enough to see all of the major countries
to be on top at some stage.
And re the core discussion, I do have an interest as have a very Scottish name, part Scottish by ancestry but British by birth !
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Pleased to hear you have a vested interest, 500N.
On the issue of defence, this is one area where the NO to independence vote should score highly, due in the most to the SNP defence policy. Or lack of it.
On the issue of defence, this is one area where the NO to independence vote should score highly, due in the most to the SNP defence policy. Or lack of it.
I'm not sure such a relatively low position on the world's military stage would bother Scotland in the slightest
You are probably correct there. However, it does all point towards a lack of appreciation and understanding in their arguments that the SNP continually believe everything will hunky-dory the day after the revolution. The sooner the SNP realise the true costs behind their proposals, that they can't just pick and choose the parts of international relations and commitments that suits on any particular day, the better Scotland will be and we can then enter into a fully informed and realistic debate.
