Saluting Advice Please
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'Passed out, serving Officer doesn't know when to salute yet doubtless expects Airmen to show them respect and follow their leadership. 
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Stumpey, I was seeking clarification, I have never been to a Royal Parade before and didn't want to insult anyone by not being sure of the rules. Obviously your vast experience outshines mine. Next time I will ask your advice re sword drill and which knife and fork to use
By the way, Officers graduate from RAFC Cranwell, they do not 'pass out'.
'Stumpey, I was seeking clarification, I have never been to a Royal Parade before and didn't want to insult anyone by not being sure of the rules. Obviously your vast experience outshines mine. Next time I will ask your advice re sword drill and which knife and fork to use
By the way, Officers graduate from RAFC Cranwell, they do not 'pass out'.
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It's 2012 for christ sake, not 1952...
I suspect we have a couple of sandle wearing socialists among us, one of whom has a rather large chip on his shoulder.
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Yesterday I was on duty at a jubilee village fete which was opened by a lookalike masquerading as HM the Queen, accompanied by a pair of portly corgis. The fete organisers naturally played along with the fiction, but I declined the opportunity to salute the said lady when introduced to her... I wasn't trying to be a miserable spoilsport - it just wouldn't have been right!
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Please can you share with us what uniform you were wearing at the village fete? Unless there was a service 'presence' eg a recruiting stand, perhaps a military uniform was not appropriate.
However, as to saluting; a gentleman wearing a hat would normally 'doff' it on greeting a lady or a dignatory. A serviceman in uniform would salute the lady etc as a display of good manners. If in uniform (albeit RAFVR(T) these days), I always greet ladies at the school where I help, with a salute and I do the same if the headmaster appears.
Perhaps it's time to search out the old copy of 'Stradling' - now that dates me, doesn't it????
Old Duffer
Please can you share with us what uniform you were wearing at the village fete? Unless there was a service 'presence' eg a recruiting stand, perhaps a military uniform was not appropriate.
However, as to saluting; a gentleman wearing a hat would normally 'doff' it on greeting a lady or a dignatory. A serviceman in uniform would salute the lady etc as a display of good manners. If in uniform (albeit RAFVR(T) these days), I always greet ladies at the school where I help, with a salute and I do the same if the headmaster appears.
Perhaps it's time to search out the old copy of 'Stradling' - now that dates me, doesn't it????
Old Duffer
Willard Whyte,
The 'helping out' at school to which I refer, is as a member of the school's Combined Cadet Force and hence I am 'on duty', albeit as a member of the RAFVR(T) and not as a 'regular'.
I hope you will agree that this makes it rather different from a village fete.
Old Duffer
The 'helping out' at school to which I refer, is as a member of the school's Combined Cadet Force and hence I am 'on duty', albeit as a member of the RAFVR(T) and not as a 'regular'.
I hope you will agree that this makes it rather different from a village fete.
Old Duffer
I declined the opportunity to salute the said lady when introduced to her...
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I'd salute any lady to whom I was introduced.
.... but what if they were merely women?
** for cousins and the sardonically challenged, this Smily denotes irony.....
what if they were merely women?
Bally heck! Don't go on about officers' wives, ladies, women etc.
The wife of one of my instructors made it clear that I was in with a chance.
I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer but banging one of your instructors' wives? I don't think so.
n.b. Not saying which station or what course.
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From 1930s troop ship stuff:
'Officers and their ladies
NCOs and their wives
Other ranks and their women'
'Officers and their ladies
NCOs and their wives
Other ranks and their women'
Obsequious displays of servitude and sycophancy - the stuff from which every institution is made.
And I suppose that their pieces of fluff on the side were, in the social pecking order, respectively referred to as mistresses, concubines or tarts.
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Class divisions at their worst.
Old Duffer, not only TROOP SHIP STUFF. The pompous class crap was alive and well as late as the 1950's-1960's and probably later in the RAAF. It even permeated into everyday life of our family member's. "Ladies" introducing themselves as "Mrs Sqn Ldr ........" etc, wives not being asked for coffee before their spouse made SNCO rank etc. Such discrimination would not be tolerated in the RAAF of today, I hope, and it should not have ever been.
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Officers saluting merely women
There's a scene in 'In Which We Serve' where Noel Coward (so terribly, terribly good) as Captain of HMS Torrin meets the new wife of AB (cor blimey) Blake (John Mills) on a train.
He salutes her.
OK, I know it's the movies, but, to my mind the mark of an Officer and a Gentleman
He salutes her.
OK, I know it's the movies, but, to my mind the mark of an Officer and a Gentleman
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Yes, that scene in the railway compartment makes me chuckle, as it is clear that the Captain is slightly confused that an AB 'and his Mrs' are in first class. But he is terribly good about it. A great film, too. Famously, he dived into the tanks at Shepperton Studios (I think) where they filmed the sinking scene and trilled 'There's dysentary in every ripple'. No doubt amusing at the time...
Yes, that scene in the railway compartment makes me chuckle, as it is clear that the Captain is slightly confused that an AB 'and his Mrs' are in first class. But he is terribly good about it. A great film, too. Famously, he dived into the tanks at Shepperton Studios (I think) where they filmed the sinking scene and trilled 'There's dysentary in every ripple'. No doubt amusing at the time...
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