Chinook pilot v RAF Movers
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SPHLC, at least you're being honest with us when you tell us that you and your mates' default level of professional output is criminal damage, theft and breaches of hygiene regulations.
I feel that Demons and his like-minded colleagues will transition perfectly from RAF movements into BAA security, where aircrew-hating ineptitude and deliberate obstructiveness is given an additional real-world commercial dynamic.
I feel that Demons and his like-minded colleagues will transition perfectly from RAF movements into BAA security, where aircrew-hating ineptitude and deliberate obstructiveness is given an additional real-world commercial dynamic.
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Throwing stones in glass houses.....
I think people on here should think before they write.....Cigarette smuggling a few years back...pathetic...I could write a book (maybe I should)( look at all the free publicity I would get)
on the mis-givings of the aircrew, I don't have to list them, and won't, all you need to do is google, that will tell you all you need to know.
We have procedures for a reason, and if you decide to try and circumvent them for your own good, then good luck to you. But if it goes wrong don't go whinging about it like a spoilt brat, grow up and get on with it.
on the mis-givings of the aircrew, I don't have to list them, and won't, all you need to do is google, that will tell you all you need to know.We have procedures for a reason, and if you decide to try and circumvent them for your own good, then good luck to you. But if it goes wrong don't go whinging about it like a spoilt brat, grow up and get on with it.
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Whilst I eagerly await your book on the 'misgivings' of aircrew, perhaps next time a consignment of dictionaries passes through your facilities you should steal a few and look up some of the longer words. Also send one to 'Mover's wife' on Amazon who seems to think that describing the book as 'self-effacing' is a cutting criticism.
Other than that, keep up the good work.
Other than that, keep up the good work.
I did attempt to strike a tone of balance earlier in what has become 4 pages of crap. I can see my efforts were in vain.
Demons,
I think your stated location says it all, perhaps you should stop digging and get back to work as there is obviously a unit missing their token 'see you next Tuesday'.
You are obviously bitter and twisted about something, perhaps its the fact you are not a Pilot qnd haven't been awarded the DFC or AFC, or maybe as simple as envy of Frenchies ability to go outside in daylight without children crying and people staring and pointing.
Either way, it matters not. What does matter is that several members of your own trade, including Steve Beaumont, have made a rational and reasoned defence of your branch in order to ensure we also see the good side of what Movers offer the services.
You have had a damn good go at undermining all of that with your inane and bitter ramblings. Well done on your own goal, Im sure your colleagues are proud.
You are the weakest link - goodbye
Demons,
I think your stated location says it all, perhaps you should stop digging and get back to work as there is obviously a unit missing their token 'see you next Tuesday'.
You are obviously bitter and twisted about something, perhaps its the fact you are not a Pilot qnd haven't been awarded the DFC or AFC, or maybe as simple as envy of Frenchies ability to go outside in daylight without children crying and people staring and pointing.
Either way, it matters not. What does matter is that several members of your own trade, including Steve Beaumont, have made a rational and reasoned defence of your branch in order to ensure we also see the good side of what Movers offer the services.
You have had a damn good go at undermining all of that with your inane and bitter ramblings. Well done on your own goal, Im sure your colleagues are proud.
You are the weakest link - goodbye
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Bah... Popcorn is for wimps.... hotdog anyone?
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It's far better than watching 'EastEnders' I am sure they would bite if they where told they had checked in a passenger on time for the right flight and loaded his bags to the right aircraft..easy target!
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diginagain - might have to ask MGD to give Kai a bell to check the diary first...
Anyhow, has anyone else thought about the wider aspects of this thread? Perhaps the perceived poor performance of the Movs brigade is a result of cutting manning levels too far; loosing experienced NCO's and JO's to PVR/voluntary redundancy?
Just a thought is all...Oh, overstretch...it doesn't exist right?
Anyhow, has anyone else thought about the wider aspects of this thread? Perhaps the perceived poor performance of the Movs brigade is a result of cutting manning levels too far; loosing experienced NCO's and JO's to PVR/voluntary redundancy?
Just a thought is all...Oh, overstretch...it doesn't exist right?
A valid point, El Pres; however it doesn't explain the historical evidence of the animosity that the Mover trade seems to have created for itself. Perhaps they just get a bad-press?
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Diging, I think its a combination of many things...sounds like I'm copping out. But...Why have adminers always lived in 'handbrake house'...scuffers always been eyed with deep suspicion...flight ops girls always been easy to catch in the bop...
Movers have the ability to make a trip pass off with perfect ease or to completely ruin your day. Fortunately I never suffered from the latter. And I flew on all of Betty's recent AT, from quite a few different places...
Maybe I was just lucky? Dunno.
Movers have the ability to make a trip pass off with perfect ease or to completely ruin your day. Fortunately I never suffered from the latter. And I flew on all of Betty's recent AT, from quite a few different places...
Maybe I was just lucky? Dunno.
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...flight ops girls always been easy to catch in the bop...
Sorry. Where were we? Oh yes. Movers and their little insecurities. I hope that an answer emerges, but I am fortuitously well out of reach of the little manglers these days, although I see signs that their civilian counterparts are as skillful.
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I'll just make a general observation if I may and then ask a simple, I think, question of the Movers here. Not pointing fingers at anyone or trying to make anyone look better than any others.
When I was in I had two "trades"... Firstly as a Rock and second as a Loadie. In both cases if there were lazy b
ds, people who made us look bad, simply didn't, (want to ), fit in, etc. the lads themselves sorted out the offender. Not violence necessarily, but "strong words" would have been had.
It's clear from this conversation that not all Movers are bad and many had/have pride in what they do... Do Movers not see the incompetents/jobsworth types in their midst or, if they do, do they not wish to stop them from making the trade as a whole look bad?
When I was in I had two "trades"... Firstly as a Rock and second as a Loadie. In both cases if there were lazy b
ds, people who made us look bad, simply didn't, (want to ), fit in, etc. the lads themselves sorted out the offender. Not violence necessarily, but "strong words" would have been had.It's clear from this conversation that not all Movers are bad and many had/have pride in what they do... Do Movers not see the incompetents/jobsworth types in their midst or, if they do, do they not wish to stop them from making the trade as a whole look bad?
I think AA, the more pressing question as far as this forum is concerned, is whether you have any recent experience of movers and movements.
As far as I can gather, you're (yet another) person whose experiences were in the 80's / 90's. Your posts seem to back that up.
I'm not a mover (sadly I'm even worse, a copper) but at least I have experience of ops up until 2012. My experiences haven't been bad to be honest.
Can you describe your experiences with movers since say, 2007, just for a snapshot of how it affected you adversely on your ops in the last 5 years?
As far as I can gather, you're (yet another) person whose experiences were in the 80's / 90's. Your posts seem to back that up.
I'm not a mover (sadly I'm even worse, a copper) but at least I have experience of ops up until 2012. My experiences haven't been bad to be honest.
Can you describe your experiences with movers since say, 2007, just for a snapshot of how it affected you adversely on your ops in the last 5 years?
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the more pressing question as far as this forum is concerned, is whether you have any recent experience of movers and movements.
As far as I can gather, you're (yet another) person whose experiences were in the 80's / 90's.
As far as I can gather, you're (yet another) person whose experiences were in the 80's / 90's.
My last experience of RAF plod was in 2007.
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Laarbruch72:
You'll note that I didn't express any opinion. The question is purely philosophical and, as such, needs no current experience.
But thank you for proving, (in your condescension), that while an old Rockape can understand a basic concept the RAF Police still can't. Tell you what, pass the keyboard to your dog... You're lucky, I'm fluent in German Shepherd....
You'll note that I didn't express any opinion. The question is purely philosophical and, as such, needs no current experience.
But thank you for proving, (in your condescension), that while an old Rockape can understand a basic concept the RAF Police still can't. Tell you what, pass the keyboard to your dog... You're lucky, I'm fluent in German Shepherd....