Big bang in Swindon area
Given that the codes are available on every Flight deck in the Western World I'm not sure it's worth claiming "********"( 
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Err, no. If you Google "7500 transponder" then you get 2.36 million hits. Wikipedia has it listed and the quote above was taken from Skybrary. You will find it in Pooleys and other VFR guides.
So just remind me what earth shattering secret I have just divulged?
LJ
Err, no. If you Google "7500 transponder" then you get 2.36 million hits. Wikipedia has it listed and the quote above was taken from Skybrary. You will find it in Pooleys and other VFR guides.
So just remind me what earth shattering secret I have just divulged?
LJ
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but those facts presumably wouldn't have been in the possession of the person who, IMHO, not unreasonably made the decision/wrote the protocol to authorise a supersonic transit.
Here you go, straight from the UKAIP (which is free to download), here's a link and go ENR1.6.2 Para 2.1(c)
http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadba...2012-04-05.pdf
Hardly classified is it? Also taught to PPL students throughout the world - and probably on Trial Lessons. Also, I'm sure that terrorists around the world have access to the internet, search engines and research via textbooks - they don't all live in caves you know!
Some of you chaps are often too keen to jump on the opsec 'outrage bus'!
LJ
http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadba...2012-04-05.pdf
Hardly classified is it? Also taught to PPL students throughout the world - and probably on Trial Lessons. Also, I'm sure that terrorists around the world have access to the internet, search engines and research via textbooks - they don't all live in caves you know!
Some of you chaps are often too keen to jump on the opsec 'outrage bus'!
LJ
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LJ, we all know where it's published. 
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The maths is quite easy. If doing ~700kts (M1.0) then that's 10nm/minute, so 12 minutes. At ~1400kts (M2.0) then that's 20nm/minute so 6 minutes.
It also depends on what alert status the crews are on - that's the classified bit (along with aircraft fit and its real performance). So guessing how long it will take is GCSE 'time, speed and distance problems' and not going to get you locked up in the Tower!
Obviously, the 'opsec outrage police' will soon say otherwise...
LJ
EDIT: Make that ~700mph and ~1400mph rather than "kts" as I erroneously typed last night - oops!
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The maths is quite easy. If doing ~700kts (M1.0) then that's 10nm/minute, so 12 minutes. At ~1400kts (M2.0) then that's 20nm/minute so 6 minutes.
It also depends on what alert status the crews are on - that's the classified bit (along with aircraft fit and its real performance). So guessing how long it will take is GCSE 'time, speed and distance problems' and not going to get you locked up in the Tower!
Obviously, the 'opsec outrage police' will soon say otherwise...
LJ
EDIT: Make that ~700mph and ~1400mph rather than "kts" as I erroneously typed last night - oops!
(thanks to Ex Douglas Driver for noting my error
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Did I miss a chance to call "Beadwindow !" Bugger. That and spotting a spelling mistake are the only reasons to read posts these days.....
(Agree Leon. People get too precious about open source details)
Did I just beadwindow my beadwindow call ? Sh!t.......
(Agree Leon. People get too precious about open source details)
Did I just beadwindow my beadwindow call ? Sh!t.......
How long before the compensation claims start rolling in for broken windows in Rugby, scared sheep in Wales, woken babies disturbing someone trying to watch Jeremy Kyle and some mysterious medical complaint that was suddenly brought on by the RAF doing its job but has left the plaintiff in agony and incapable of work?
Shytorque
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"Bearing in mind I am so up tight about this open domain information, is it really a good idea for me to make a big thing about it?"
Seeing as you enjoyed my last post so much, do you want me to post the links for the other 2.36million Google hits for you as well?
Jeeez
Leon, bearing in mind the present situation, is it really a good idea to post that quote?
"Bearing in mind I am so up tight about this open domain information, is it really a good idea for me to make a big thing about it?"
Seeing as you enjoyed my last post so much, do you want me to post the links for the other 2.36million Google hits for you as well?
Jeeez
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I thought the same thing earlier and also the fact that LJ Towers needs some new double glazed windows as the current ones are getting a bit rotty.
Now where did I leave that toffee hammer...
I thought the same thing earlier and also the fact that LJ Towers needs some new double glazed windows as the current ones are getting a bit rotty.
Now where did I leave that toffee hammer...
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I think LJ was the one getting outraged and precious here. I questioned his judgement about a quote (as if other professional aviators didn't already know the codes) and he became "outraged" to the point of finding further quotes for all to see.
Meanwhile, I was drinking a nice cup of tea whilst watching the gorgeous Gyneth Paltrow find her relatives on TV .....not actually very outraged at all.
Meanwhile, I was drinking a nice cup of tea whilst watching the gorgeous Gyneth Paltrow find her relatives on TV .....not actually very outraged at all.
Out of interest, how long did it take the Tiffy from kicking the tyres to reaching Swindon?
Brize's controllers must have wondered what hit them - they've probably never seen a plane fly that fast before.
People get too precious about open source details
Having done Air Defence(A.D.) a million years ago I just about remember our procedures being placed in some sort of security wrapper. It came as something of a shock on transition to the civvie world to find of those same A.D. procedures being "open source", contained in the likes of books, checklists and Flying Manuals ....and if you think about it logically many of the procedures have to be "open source".
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Just following this up as it's on a thread on private flying. As for 'Beadwindow'...
My barber knows more about the comings and goings at Waddo than I do and I fly from there......I'm not joking either....
When I was at Coningsby if you wanted to know when the next Taceval was you asked the landlord of the Black Horse.
Honestly to get uptight about 7500 as if it's some state secret is ludicrous, it's like getting uppity about military frequencies that are readily available in Pooleys.
My barber knows more about the comings and goings at Waddo than I do and I fly from there......I'm not joking either....
When I was at Coningsby if you wanted to know when the next Taceval was you asked the landlord of the Black Horse.
Honestly to get uptight about 7500 as if it's some state secret is ludicrous, it's like getting uppity about military frequencies that are readily available in Pooleys.
LJ - That car with the tinted windows in the street outside your house contains agents come to arrest you for alerting the last seven people in the world previously unaware of the codes you so blatantly published.
Shame on you
Shame on you
Don't tell the world that there are military frequencies in Pooleys and the AFE flight guides - is that wise seeing how sensitive things are at present?
Don't panic! Don't panic! To paraphrase the famous Cpl Jones
I also agree that no sensitivities have been broken here.
The B Word
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Don't panic! Don't panic! To paraphrase the famous Cpl Jones
I also agree that no sensitivities have been broken here.
The B Word
(an ex AD mate)