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HMS Plymouth the Museum ship.. Ex Falklands Conflict to be scrapped

Old 20th Mar 2012, 13:26
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HMS Plymouth the Museum ship.. Ex Falklands Conflict to be scrapped

Ahhh nice way to remember the service on this anniversary...... NOT

HMS Plymouth to be Scrapped | Demotix.com

HMS PLYMOUTH IS DUE TO BE DECONSTRUCTED (SCRAPPED) LATER THIS YEAR. PLYMOUTH CITY COUNCIL, WHO REFUSED POINT BLANK TO HELP SECURE HMS PLYMOUTH A... | This is Plymouth

This was the ship the surrender document was signed on...

Is this country just barking mad, they spend 25 million quid to keep a painting in this country, but cannot even preserve our own history.
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Old 20th Mar 2012, 13:28
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Hmmmmmm

Remember pre election how Tories were going to be the ones who protected the Armed Forces........

Reality is they have cut more than a peacenik.
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HMS Plymouth.

And yet they're fund-raising to preserve HMS Liverpool at Liverpool when she's paid off this month. Why I wonder no interest in the ships at Birkenhead?
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Remember pre election how Tories were going to be the ones who protected the Armed Forces........
Whilst I agree with your sentiment regarding the current armed forces how does this connect to a Type 12 that has been out of service and in the hands of various private owners for nearly 24 years?

Should the budget for the operational military be further compromised in order to provide funding for a museum piece?
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Maybe it's a "kick up the arse" from Peel Ports where she is docked, to those that want to preserve her. They need to pull their fingers out and "do something". Yes, it's a historic ship. But at the end of the day it's a clapped out frigate. Why not just preserve the wardroom table and the copy of the signal with it? If some want to keep it as a museum ship, then it's time to stump up.

I did visit her, Onyx and Bronington when they were open. Very interesting, and worth the money. But not in the same league as other museum ships/ship museums.
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The Plymouth City Council threw too much money away supporting a totally useless cause by buying back a football ground !
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It's a critical mass problem. Unlike in the US where there is a slightly different attitude and therefore a multitude of very good museum ships (and aviation museums for that matter), over here there is a measure of indifference unless tied to a "core", eg Duxford, IWM/Belfast, Historic Dockyards in Portsmouth & Chatham.

Personally, I think it's a great shame, but unless the ship can be tied in with either Chatham or Portsmouth dockyards, she's a goner, South Georgia surrender venue or not.
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Nice thread as we are at present discussing 'The Most Daring Raid'

HMS Plymouth

There were over 200 ships company inside that vessel when that lead was flying through the skies.

Five incoming aircraft and although she managed to damage two, HMS Plymouth was hit by four bombs and numerous shells. One shell hit her flight deck, detonating a depth charge and starting a fire. Another bomb entered her funnel and failed to explode, whilst the other two destroyed her anti-submarine mortar but also failed to explode. Five men were injured in the attack and HMS Plymouth was assisted in putting the fires out by HMS Avenger.

She then underwent emergency repairs from the Stena Seaspread before rejoining the fleet. She then provided naval gunfire bombardment during the retaking of the island. HMS Plymouth left the Falklands with the County Class Destroyer HMS Glamorgan on June 21st, and returned to Rosyth on July 14th where she underwent full repairs. She had steamed 34,000 miles,
fired over nine hundred 4.5 inch shells and destroyed five enemy aircraft.

As soon as the attack was over the ship's company set about repairing their ship and 36 hours later she was able to steam to a safer location where more extensive repairs could be carried out before getting back into the action. 36 hours of continual, uninterrupted, hard work and during that 'break' they were able to relax working the mandatory defence watch scheme of six hours on watch, six hours off, 24hrs a day, 7 days a week.. 6 hours on six hours off only broken up by going to action stations when it was a case of one up, the lot up and goodbye to any chance of sleep. During that break the engineering\electrical staff would work far longer hours getting the ship ready for going straight back to the Battle Group.

That damage never prevented Plymouth from being present at every significant incident and even though she was one of the oldest warships in that conflict, she never was turned away from the fight...

She had steamed 34,000 miles, fired over nine hundred 4.5 inch shells and destroyed five enemy aircraft. All in a days work, no heroes, just sailors doing the job they were trained for, the job they were paid for and the job they were expected to perform

Each man had a Heart of Oak


This picture was taken minutes after the attack



Bomb damage to the flight deck and funnel as these projectiles hurtled through without 'stopping'

How ironic that the city of Plymouth will not set funds aside to put this ship on display, the city has asked for 'mementos' from this iconic vessel.

I hope they send them this
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Nice thread as we are at present discussing 'The Most Daring Raid'...
Thank you glojo. You make it extremely difficult to avoid making certain comparisons regarding the duration, intensity and number of personnel directly affected in each of these 'daring' episodes of the Falklands war but I hope there is a place for both a Vulcan and HMS Plymouth in our preserved national heritage.
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and destroyed five enemy aircraft

from wikipedia,
"On June 8, Plymouth was attacked by Dagger fighter bombers of FAA Grupo 6. Able seaman Phil Orr fired her Sea Cat missile system at them, claiming the destruction of two aircraft. Later it was determined that no Dagger was lost in action that day."

Sorry guys but Sea Cat missiles had never hit an Argentine aircraft during the war.

That June 8th, 5 IAI Dagger A were flying to Bluff Cove but after spotting the HMS Plymouth they decided to change their target.

All of the IAI Dagger A returned safely to Rio Grande NAS.
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You know we dragged the hulk of SS Great Britain back from the Falklands and rebuilt her, we have poured money into the rebuild of the Cutty Sark, more into Victory over the years, and God knows how much has been poured into the Mary Rose, but this ship that also has an illustrious war history is going to end up as baked bean cans.... Could they not just park it next to Belfast? To have kept her for 30 years to now scrap it just seems wrong.

Would it not be ironic if some Argentinian scrappie bid for it to make a statement.
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Hi Cosmic,
If you are referring to my post you will see that I have stated that five aircraft were shot down by her during the whole conflict.

When ships are working together there will always be confusion as to who hit what or what was the final shell, missile that did the damage. When Plymouth was damaged on the 8th June she claims to have damaged two aircraft, she certainly did not claim to have destroyed two or indeed five. Bottom line was that bay was like Piccadilly Circus on a Saturday night, no one was sticking to the rules of the road, aircraft, lead, missiles, bombs and small arms fire filled the skies and we were VERY lucky to have only lost the ships we did.

As an aside, bar bills were 'accidentally' lost over the side whilst repairs were carried out but 'Davey Jones' refused to accept this book. It got washed ashore and subsequently handed back to the President of the Mess!
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Would it not be ironic if some Argentinian scrappie bid for it to make a statement.

I don't understand your statement...I am just pointing out a historical fact.

As far as I know this forum is open to any nationality, so you should accept the Argentine scrappie statements...
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I think that last sentence of his was a separate comment from his previous paragraph.

I think what he was saying was, the Argies couldn't sink it during the war so
it would be a laugh if an Argie scrapper purchased it if it is sold for scrap.
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It works on more than one level as a joke:
the Falklands war started (as far as the Brits are concerned) with Dravidoff and his team of scrappers raising the flag at Grytviken while they were tearing down the old whale boiling plant there. If they'd not raised the flag, things may have been so much different. They had contracts to remove the metal - and if anything were doing the world an environmental favour. They just raised that flag...
And of course theres the irony (as already pointed out) of towing a rusting collection of scrap metal plates from the Falklands and rebuilding it into SS Great Britain
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Correct 500N and Milo

The war started over a scrappie hauling up a Argentinian flag on British soil, it ended with the surrender being signed on this ship which represented Britain and it could end by it sitting in an Argentinian scrapyard flying an Argentinian flag as they scrap it... ironic.
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I think what he was saying was, the Argies couldn't sink it during the war so
it would be a laugh if an Argie scrapper purchased it if it is sold for scrap.
No less Ironic than going to war with the US against Japan in revenge for attacking US fleet in Pearl Harbour and then sinking one of the ships years later..
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Yes, good point. I bet no one thought that ship would end up where it did
and in the circumstances after what it had already survived.

I clearly remember the day it hit the media and the photos and then of course the speculation about flying the Jolly Roger and then it actually being flown on entry to port.
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This one?


2,3,4
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Yes, that one.

I wonder if he got in hot water over it ?

Anyone know what the Captain did after the Falklands ?
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