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HMS Plymouth the Museum ship.. Ex Falklands Conflict to be scrapped

Old 21st Mar 2012, 02:34
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Yup there was a lot of flak over it at the time, the facts that it was traditional seemed to get lost in the furore.
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Old 21st Mar 2012, 02:40
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According to THIS

..........THE South Devon man who sunk the Argentine navy cruiser General Belgrano with the loss of 323 lives in the 1982 Falklands War is to retire as Paignton Zoo's manager and administrator.

Chris Wreford-Brown who was Commander of the Royal Navy nuclear submarine HMS Conqueror when it went to the South Atlantic to reclaim the Falkland Islands and gave the order to fire the fateful torpedoes which sank the cruiser, has worked at the zoo for 15 years.
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Old 21st Mar 2012, 02:45
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Yet they didn't seem to say much, (or I missed it, not being "in country") when the recent Sub came back into port flying the Jolly Roger with Tomahawks all over it.

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Thanks for that. Interesting.
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Old 21st Mar 2012, 10:37
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As far as I know this forum is open to any nationality, so you should accept the Argentine scrappie statements...
Good morning Cosmic,
The day a member of Her Majesty's Armed Forces looses their sense of humour will be the same day as Lord Nelson urinates on the hordes of sight see'rs in Trafalgar Square. What you are seeing is a type of humour, certainly NOT offensive words and as can be seen on a different thread your presence here is GREATLY appreciated as are your informative comments about this recent conflict...

You are in safe hands and hopefully there will be no ill words said about historical events...

Just remember we won.......


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Old 21st Mar 2012, 12:18
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This is what the Lottery should be being used to save!
However its funds are tied up with the Olympics!
The MoD should be involved and so should the department of Culture media and Sport.
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Old 21st Mar 2012, 12:21
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The MoD should have no involvement in any form other than perhaps providing access to historical records for anyone who takes on HMS Plymouth. It most certainly should not have any financial involvement.
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Old 21st Mar 2012, 17:32
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Praps when the couple of weeks of Lottery funded sports in the summer are over it can concentrate on funding more of this country's heritage projects & other more worthy causes .
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Old 21st Mar 2012, 18:51
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Why should the MOD be involved in bailing out a former piece of property that is being scrapped due to the near inevitable failure of a range of businesses to make money?
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Old 21st Mar 2012, 20:00
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Depends on how you look at it.

No Army/Navy/Air Force is going to tell its men & women that they are anything other than the best. The fine traditions of days gone by exemplify the way things ought to be done, and that we are good at it. It fosters good performance by the service members, because they are "being the best".

I can therefore see why a few quid to Peel Ports to cover the cost of the berth that's been used, a tug to pull the thing to Pompey and a couple of buckshee tins of paint would be a wise investment by the MOD. Particularly if it results in little Johnny saying "Dad, I want to be a Matelot when I grow up".

On the other hand, what's more important? Rescuing this old tub, or a couple of extra flight hours for crews training for operational deployment? Obviously the training. But then you could say that about a Mess refurb, or new drains, or re-skinning an 80 year old hangar. Bullets, bombs, rations and fuel. You wouldn't have much of an MOD in 20 years though.
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Old 22nd Mar 2012, 01:00
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If I recall correctly, one of the O Class boats also flew the Jolly Roger on return to port after the Falklands
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Old 22nd Mar 2012, 01:34
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I thought sub that sunk the Belgrano was the only one
that went into action or does flying the JR just symbolize
returning from a combat patrol regardless of weapons not used.
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Old 22nd Mar 2012, 01:43
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See Modern day Jolly Roger
Onyx - being diesel electric and so quiet when on batteries - was used for Special Ops and it looks like the Joly Roger was for those insertions
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Old 22nd Mar 2012, 01:49
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Good point. Thanks for the link.
She also sunk the Sir Galahad and sent it to the bottom of the ocean.
I liked the recent JR with the Tomahawks on it.
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Old 22nd Mar 2012, 02:01
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followiing on from that, take a look at this one
https://secure.flickr.com/photos/chr1sp/3068308030/

HMS Sealion
Coming alongside HMS Dolphin, returning from Falklands Patrol. in 1987
Showing jolly roger with two daggers (special forces insertions) and a Chilean flag.
WTF???
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Old 22nd Mar 2012, 02:04
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Yes, I saw that (didn't see the Chilean flag though !!!)

Can anyone add any more background to it ?


I would hope that someone in the military has plans for
insertion onto to the mainland and recces already carried out.
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Old 22nd Mar 2012, 10:50
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The Chelean flag was flown because of their visit to Punta Arenas on the way home.
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Old 22nd Mar 2012, 10:55
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But that still leaves the question of what SF operations were being carried out in 1987.
I guess we're not likely to get an answer to that
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Old 22nd Mar 2012, 14:20
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Would be interesting to see the reaction if XM607 was sold for scrap this year.
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Old 22nd Mar 2012, 14:29
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XM607 isn't costing anything though, and isn't going to sink in the dock. HMS Plymouth may very well do so. Bronington even worse. I believe that in effect, nobody owns Plymouth, as her former owners are wound up. The ship has a de facto "keeper", Peel Ports. This is simply because she lies in one of their docks.
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Old 22nd Mar 2012, 14:45
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The problem is that museum ships are ruinously expensive, and cost an utter fortune to keep going. Unlike static aircraft, which can be given a lick of paint and very basic maintenance, with a static ship, you need to spend a lot of time and money maintaining the hull to ensure it doesnt spring leaks, and that the ship is still watertight.

Add to that onerous access issues, h&S nightmares and a whole catalogue of interesting flammable or hazardous materials and you realise that ships are complex beasts to look after in retirement.
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