First Civilian Job
To reinforce the last two posts...Your next employer is going to employ YOU not the Rank you once had.
When they talk to you - they talk to your face not your shoulder badge.
When you talk to them - they only see a face not a history or a rank.
However, if you mention your rank or "When I.." too much your colleagues or employer could well play them back to you when you least want it.
You should only use Rank at a reunion.
When they talk to you - they talk to your face not your shoulder badge.
When you talk to them - they only see a face not a history or a rank.
However, if you mention your rank or "When I.." too much your colleagues or employer could well play them back to you when you least want it.
You should only use Rank at a reunion.
One vital tip that I've heard from friends who employ ex mil is make sure you drop your rank. You'd be amazed at how many ex military personnel keep referring to themselves as Col this or Maj that.
You're not in the military anymore, and while you should rightly be proud of your achievements, clinging to rank (and subconciously acting as if you were still that rank) is not going to help you get ahead in your new organisation.
You're not in the military anymore, and while you should rightly be proud of your achievements, clinging to rank (and subconciously acting as if you were still that rank) is not going to help you get ahead in your new organisation.
Dazza joined as a Graduate 18 months ago after 3 years of media studies, getting laid and doing legal and illegal drugs that your taxes paid for at University.
Dazza does E or some other **** at weekend, has a "relationship" with Donna in HR who is 32 and going through a divorce. Donna will do anything to please Dazza as her ex left her for Tracy, a 19 year old blonde pneumatic bimbo who wants to be a model.
Dazza sees you as a fossil and a threat to his easy street, any attempt at mentioning rank makes you a troublemaker. Donna will find ways to get rid of you to keep Dazza happy or reality just to keep him as he boosts her low self esteem.
Oh bugger you screwed......
...Hmmmm...but its not all that bad really.
Millions of people do civvy street day-in, day-out. And they're not all dimwits or pillocks. Some are either dim, witty or pillocks. Some are quite brainy. Some are quite devious - but there aren't too many of those.
You just have to get over the military thing - and be either a civvy, or go back in as a Reserve.
welcome! And the Best of Luck
Millions of people do civvy street day-in, day-out. And they're not all dimwits or pillocks. Some are either dim, witty or pillocks. Some are quite brainy. Some are quite devious - but there aren't too many of those.
You just have to get over the military thing - and be either a civvy, or go back in as a Reserve.
welcome! And the Best of Luck
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I think it all depends on the players in the management team.
In my last job I was accused by a ex CPL pay clerk, who was the financial controller, of running my division from a admin point of view, as if it were a Air Force unit.
From an admin point of view this worked well and we did well and always achieved goals and objectives, When I pointed out to him how we always seamed to come in on target, he muttered something about not being in the Air Force any more. My reply was how many times had we pulled him out of the clag, and then I stated "typical ex Corporal Pay clerk statement". Could have heard a pin drop. It turned in his CV he had left his six years service out.
I let you draw your conclusions but it did start a detailed review of his CV.
Shortly after that he left.
My advice is to be honest in your CV, but also embrace those parts of section Admin, which you know from your Air Force experience will work.
Good luck to you I wish you all the best
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In my last job I was accused by a ex CPL pay clerk, who was the financial controller, of running my division from a admin point of view, as if it were a Air Force unit.
From an admin point of view this worked well and we did well and always achieved goals and objectives, When I pointed out to him how we always seamed to come in on target, he muttered something about not being in the Air Force any more. My reply was how many times had we pulled him out of the clag, and then I stated "typical ex Corporal Pay clerk statement". Could have heard a pin drop. It turned in his CV he had left his six years service out.
I let you draw your conclusions but it did start a detailed review of his CV.
Shortly after that he left.
My advice is to be honest in your CV, but also embrace those parts of section Admin, which you know from your Air Force experience will work.
Good luck to you I wish you all the best
Regards
Col
Racedo paints a familiar picture.
Whatever civilian job I have held, I have discovered HR is the enemy. Dilbert is required reading (Dilbert.com - The Official Dilbert Website with Scott Adams' color strips, Dilbert animation, mashups and more!).
The other major change is probably the number of people who will just bare-faced lie to you, and this is more common at higher levels. No obfuscation, dissembling or prevarication which you might be used to, just lies.
But it's not all bad. You do get a lot more control of your own life; and your level of achievement and, especially, your support for those who work for/with you, is usually way above what they have had before.
Whatever civilian job I have held, I have discovered HR is the enemy. Dilbert is required reading (Dilbert.com - The Official Dilbert Website with Scott Adams' color strips, Dilbert animation, mashups and more!).
The other major change is probably the number of people who will just bare-faced lie to you, and this is more common at higher levels. No obfuscation, dissembling or prevarication which you might be used to, just lies.
But it's not all bad. You do get a lot more control of your own life; and your level of achievement and, especially, your support for those who work for/with you, is usually way above what they have had before.
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Try to tailor CV into civilian speak. Lose the military title when in normal society. Finally don't assume you are more competent than the opposition as civilians can be very competent indeed.
P.S When you leave physically leave mentally. Those who constantly mention things like , " When I flew the tornado....." are known as EMP's.
Ex Military Pricks.
Good Luck.
P.S When you leave physically leave mentally. Those who constantly mention things like , " When I flew the tornado....." are known as EMP's.
Ex Military Pricks.
Good Luck.
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Wise words Rigga, wise words.
entry into civie street is at first exciting and then you will hit rock bottom between 6 and 12 months...prepare for it.
however, as Rigga says brilliantly your focus now is your family and supporting them. Use networking like LinkedIn, old boys network what ever to find work. Remember most of us are doing nothing like what our service roles were as future vocations.
if you still miss the banter and the lads....theres plenty of aircraft groups out there who will enjoy your skills and company.
the very best of luck and remember all your skills and talents...selling your self is not a skill the military teach you.
entry into civie street is at first exciting and then you will hit rock bottom between 6 and 12 months...prepare for it.
however, as Rigga says brilliantly your focus now is your family and supporting them. Use networking like LinkedIn, old boys network what ever to find work. Remember most of us are doing nothing like what our service roles were as future vocations.
if you still miss the banter and the lads....theres plenty of aircraft groups out there who will enjoy your skills and company.
the very best of luck and remember all your skills and talents...selling your self is not a skill the military teach you.
