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Jehovah!!!!!!!!!!
Running up and down in ever increasing speeds between two lines 20m apart IS the most important thing in the RAF. How else is the Station Commander likely to get his promotion? That's right by introducing batch testing so you can get into a situation where you are in date for your fitness test but because you miss batch testing by 1 day you have administrative action taken against you for your attitude to fitness EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE STILL IN DATE!!!! 
(Not me by the way) .Not by having aircraft available to do tasks
. No, the mirror techs know what's important.
Running up and down in ever increasing speeds between two lines 20m apart IS the most important thing in the RAF. How else is the Station Commander likely to get his promotion? That's right by introducing batch testing so you can get into a situation where you are in date for your fitness test but because you miss batch testing by 1 day you have administrative action taken against you for your attitude to fitness EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE STILL IN DATE!!!! (Not me by the way) .Not by having aircraft available to do tasks. No, the mirror techs know what's important.
Sounds like lots of fat wheezy 50 years here. Perhaps you could just do some phys and stop whinging? Oh, and be a leader, and lead your people to achieve the mandated goal. Or do us all a favour and leave the RAF, then you could smoke and over-eat to your heart's delight and suffer no consequences whatsoever.
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Sounds like lots of fat wheezy 50 years here. Perhaps you could just do some phys and stop whinging? Oh, and be a leader, and lead your people to achieve the mandated goal. Or do us all a favour and leave the RAF, then you could smoke and over-eat to your heart's delight and suffer no consequences whatsoever.
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Forgive me for stating the bleeding obvious, military personel are in the war fighting business.
Having an above average fitness and a keen attitude to fitness is essential.
Physically men are different to women, get over it and stop bumping your gums.
In answer to the original thread, the moral currently is so low a third tranche may not be needed, however I don't believe it is some warped policy.
Having an above average fitness and a keen attitude to fitness is essential.
Physically men are different to women, get over it and stop bumping your gums.
In answer to the original thread, the moral currently is so low a third tranche may not be needed, however I don't believe it is some warped policy.
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I would prefer to die at 65 having lived a life consuming krug, fois gois and not become obsessed with phys than eating rivita, spending my life in the gym and end up dribbling pea soup down my chin from 70-95.
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Physically men are different to women, get over it and stop bumping your gums.
To differentiate employment standards between one group and another on the basis of solely their sex is, by definition, sexist.
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I would prefer to die at 65 having lived a life consuming krug, fois gois and not become obsessed with phys than eating rivita, spending my life in the gym and end up dribbling pea soup down my chin from 70-95.
James Fixx was the author of the 1977 best-selling book, The Complete Book of Running. Best known as Jim Fixx, he is credited with helping start America's fitness revolution, popularizing the sport of running and demonstrating the health benefits of regular jogging.
On July 20, 1984, Fixx died at the age of 52 of a fulminant heart attack, after his daily run on Vermont Route 15 in Hardwick.
On July 20, 1984, Fixx died at the age of 52 of a fulminant heart attack, after his daily run on Vermont Route 15 in Hardwick.
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I love this thread, the most exercise all you whiners get is pulling up your chair to the computer.
When you joined you had to do phys, quite a bit of it in most cases, like it or not you are and have always been required to maintain a certain level of fitness (it's part of your job, that thing you get paid for!).
Eating nice food and enjoying some booze is perfectly acceptable as long as you can still pass the woefully low fitness test levels.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct...ul_ogL7iXrfSdg
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct...AHFgCBCtVkT3xw
When you joined you had to do phys, quite a bit of it in most cases, like it or not you are and have always been required to maintain a certain level of fitness (it's part of your job, that thing you get paid for!).
Eating nice food and enjoying some booze is perfectly acceptable as long as you can still pass the woefully low fitness test levels.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct...ul_ogL7iXrfSdg
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct...AHFgCBCtVkT3xw
Willard Wight,
The difference is that a wheezy 52 year old Chf Tech isn't only fixing aircraft. In recent years he could have been an 'outside the wire' convoy commander, doing BDR on MERT helicopters, could be on a MERT itself, diving for cover during a rocket attack, etc...
And there's a personal pride thing, too. There is nothing attractive about getting old and fat. I've done both and it's not good for future job prospects (outside the Service). When I did foreign staff college I put on over a stone, to the point that my No1s just about burst (in fact the trousers did, during a Sunset Ceremony on one of HM's newest war canoes during a visit...). So, I ate less, did some moderate amount of exercise and ended up whipping arse on the fitness test against guys half my age. And save enormous tailoring costs.
The difference is that a wheezy 52 year old Chf Tech isn't only fixing aircraft. In recent years he could have been an 'outside the wire' convoy commander, doing BDR on MERT helicopters, could be on a MERT itself, diving for cover during a rocket attack, etc...
And there's a personal pride thing, too. There is nothing attractive about getting old and fat. I've done both and it's not good for future job prospects (outside the Service). When I did foreign staff college I put on over a stone, to the point that my No1s just about burst (in fact the trousers did, during a Sunset Ceremony on one of HM's newest war canoes during a visit...). So, I ate less, did some moderate amount of exercise and ended up whipping arse on the fitness test against guys half my age. And save enormous tailoring costs.
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Willard Wight,
The difference is that a wheezy 52 year old Chf Tech isn't only fixing aircraft. In recent years he could have been an 'outside the wire' convoy commander, doing BDR on MERT helicopters, could be on a MERT itself, diving for cover during a rocket attack, etc...
The difference is that a wheezy 52 year old Chf Tech isn't only fixing aircraft. In recent years he could have been an 'outside the wire' convoy commander, doing BDR on MERT helicopters, could be on a MERT itself, diving for cover during a rocket attack, etc...
OK - I accept that there is a difference between being overweight and unfit (look at typical League or rugger players). And Well Done for passing your test.
I just prefer to ket fit and keep my weight down!
I just prefer to ket fit and keep my weight down!
getting back to the point of the thread:
The MoD does not want YOU!
It cannot afford YOU!
It wants to get rid of thousands of YOU!
By getting rid of YOU it will save money and hope to fill the £36bn black hole
If it can get rid of YOU without spending too much money on redundancy etc. then it will do so, by making life uncomfortable (fitness test, poor housing, reduction in allowances, reduction of harmony, paying for your food, paying for your accomodation, reduction in kit and making you spend your entire career on ops/detachment). Great if you are in your 20s and single but...)
The MoD does not want YOU!
It cannot afford YOU!
It wants to get rid of thousands of YOU!
By getting rid of YOU it will save money and hope to fill the £36bn black hole
If it can get rid of YOU without spending too much money on redundancy etc. then it will do so, by making life uncomfortable (fitness test, poor housing, reduction in allowances, reduction of harmony, paying for your food, paying for your accomodation, reduction in kit and making you spend your entire career on ops/detachment). Great if you are in your 20s and single but...)
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@ Jayand - from your link: Redirect Notice
So what? If a woman, at her fitness level, is able to do the job then so can a man at the same fitness level. The logical error here is the assumption that the comparison is between individuals, when the requirement is for the individual to do the job and the comparison should therefore be made between the individual and the standard required.
Whether you are a "typical man" or "typical woman" is irrelevant when it comes to taking part in a "typical firefight": the enemy are not going to go easier on you because of your sex.
Nobody is denying that there are physiological differences between men and women; the question is whether those differences are in any way relevant when it comes to being of a standard to do the job.
Values of VO2max are typically 40-60% higher in men than in women. This difference is due to the variance in bodyweight and lean body mass between men and women. Mens lungs and hearts are typically larger and able to work at a harder rate.
Whether you are a "typical man" or "typical woman" is irrelevant when it comes to taking part in a "typical firefight": the enemy are not going to go easier on you because of your sex.
Nobody is denying that there are physiological differences between men and women; the question is whether those differences are in any way relevant when it comes to being of a standard to do the job.
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On July 20, 1984, Fixx died at the age of 52 of a fulminant heart attack, after his daily run on Vermont Route 15 in Hardwick.
Q. How many people do you know during your time in the RAF who have keeled over and died down the gym or doing other sport related activity?
A. Several (it appears for most people).
Q. How many people do you know during your time in the RAF who have keeled over and died in the bar?
A. None (for almost all if not all people).
In which case I'll see you in the bar!
