Defect Avoidance and Defect Tolerance
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Defect Avoidance and Defect Tolerance
I was gobsmacked yesterday; jaw on the floor thing; nearly fell of my seat.
Was in an all day meeting where Defect Avoidance & Defect Tolerance was rasied as being something totally new! This was with senior persons who, I am sure, should already have been aware of this.
I mentioned JSP 518 (Regulation Of The Naval Nuclear Propulsion Programme), HAPM, TQM, Crosby, Deming, Astute submarine construction and a few other things. I got a mixture of embarassed, disgusted and, "what the hell are you wittering on about" looks from most of them.
Wow! How disappointing.
Was in an all day meeting where Defect Avoidance & Defect Tolerance was rasied as being something totally new! This was with senior persons who, I am sure, should already have been aware of this.
I mentioned JSP 518 (Regulation Of The Naval Nuclear Propulsion Programme), HAPM, TQM, Crosby, Deming, Astute submarine construction and a few other things. I got a mixture of embarassed, disgusted and, "what the hell are you wittering on about" looks from most of them.
Wow! How disappointing.
Last edited by hval; 17th February 2012 at 11:31. Reason: I can't spell defect
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hval
Unfortunately, indicative of the dumbing down across MoD.
In 1996, there was a seminar organised at AbbeyWood by EFA to announce a new phenomenon they'd discovered - electronic component obsolescence. As with you, we showed them the mandated Def Stan and 3 specs for managing obsolescence / unavailability.
A few years later, about 2002, DPA's Director General Finance announced something new called "Systems Integration" and that she'd approved millions on a 3 year study to find out what it was. Again, she was shown the (same) mandated Def Stan.
The reaction is what gives these people away. They don't see it as an opportunity to put things right, but a potential lost opportunity for personal advancement. In both cases they ignored the Def Stan and spent zillions on consultants. There are many who make a career out of this. The Def Stan? It was cancelled without replacement. Can't leave evidence of incompetence lying around.
Unfortunately, indicative of the dumbing down across MoD.
In 1996, there was a seminar organised at AbbeyWood by EFA to announce a new phenomenon they'd discovered - electronic component obsolescence. As with you, we showed them the mandated Def Stan and 3 specs for managing obsolescence / unavailability.
A few years later, about 2002, DPA's Director General Finance announced something new called "Systems Integration" and that she'd approved millions on a 3 year study to find out what it was. Again, she was shown the (same) mandated Def Stan.
The reaction is what gives these people away. They don't see it as an opportunity to put things right, but a potential lost opportunity for personal advancement. In both cases they ignored the Def Stan and spent zillions on consultants. There are many who make a career out of this. The Def Stan? It was cancelled without replacement. Can't leave evidence of incompetence lying around.
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Well you might possibly clear away the wreckage, whether it be scattered over Mull, Iraq, Afghanistan or wherever, it is true, but the wreckage of peoples lives blighted by the needless and avoidable loss of loved ones is permanent and indeed left "lying around" forever.
High time that responsibility for UK military airworthiness enforcement and the investigation of military air accidents be invested in an independent MAA and MAAIB, of both the MOD and each other.
Can't leave evidence of incompetence lying around.
High time that responsibility for UK military airworthiness enforcement and the investigation of military air accidents be invested in an independent MAA and MAAIB, of both the MOD and each other.
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Originally Posted by tucumseh
They don't see it as an opportunity to put things right, but a potential lost opportunity for personal advancement.
In the '60s, Hawker Siddeley Aviation showered "Zero Defects" badges to everyone in the factories. I was told that one found its way into a HS748 flying control circuit with interesting results. Dad refused to wear his on the grounds of it being a new American gimmick.
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Last edited by hval; 17th Feb 2012 at 12:31. Reason: I can't spell defect
Wow! How disappointing.
