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From: The sunny South
Originally Posted by SAMXXV
What we have here is a T45 crewed by mostly inexperienced 18 - 24 year olds operating systems WAY beyond their understanding or training. I would not like to be the Captain of that ship when things get hairy....
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From: Wilds of Warwickshire
Surface Action
There has been lots of comment in this Thread about the '45s abilities against 'Air'. But what capacity do they have against Surface Threats, just the 4.5? I presume South America can potentially rustle up at least a couple of Frigates with 4.5s of their own?
Google tells me Harpoon is a 'designed in' option, but is not fitted; and has never been tested. I wouldn't like to rely on it as a 'Plug and Play' System until it has.
KB
Google tells me Harpoon is a 'designed in' option, but is not fitted; and has never been tested. I wouldn't like to rely on it as a 'Plug and Play' System until it has.
KB
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From: Exiled in England
Yaaaay, the clown is back. I have missed you clown.
Its been a little quiet without our mad musings........
You STILL have not replied to my challenge you know.....
I think you owe the fishheads an apology......
As to all your other "predictions" we wait with warmed popcorn
Its been a little quiet without our mad musings........
You STILL have not replied to my challenge you know.....
I think you owe the fishheads an apology......
As to all your other "predictions" we wait with warmed popcorn
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From: Bristol
There has been lots of comment in this Thread about the '45s abilities against 'Air'. But what capacity do they have against Surface Threats, just the 4.5? I presume South America can potentially rustle up at least a couple of Frigates with 4.5s of their own?
Google tells me Harpoon is a 'designed in' option, but is not fitted; and has never been tested. I wouldn't like to rely on it as a 'Plug and Play' System until it has.
KB
Google tells me Harpoon is a 'designed in' option, but is not fitted; and has never been tested. I wouldn't like to rely on it as a 'Plug and Play' System until it has.
KB
Suspicion breeds confidence
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From: Gibraltar
Two Sea Squa armed Lynx is a pretty potent ASuW capability. Remember the enemy has no long range SAM capability so it would be a turkey shoot. There is a sanction that HMG could and should take which could disable their navy. That is for Rolls Royce to stop supporting and servicing the engines for their frigates and corvettes. They would become unusable quite quickly with no spares.
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From: the heathen lands
Navaleye,
the four Argentine MEKO destroyers are all armed with Aspide SAM - the range of which is, according to the half-dozen sources i found, somewhere between 20km and 75km.
the accepted range of Sea Skua is between 20 and 25km.
i'm not sure that allows us to be overly sanguine about the RN's ability to negate enemy surface vessels. we should also bear in mind that Argentina has three reasonably effective German built SSK's - it is therefore possible that our T45 is going to be a bit busy keeping them at arms length, rather than fcuking about with surface strike missions.
the four Argentine MEKO destroyers are all armed with Aspide SAM - the range of which is, according to the half-dozen sources i found, somewhere between 20km and 75km.
the accepted range of Sea Skua is between 20 and 25km.
i'm not sure that allows us to be overly sanguine about the RN's ability to negate enemy surface vessels. we should also bear in mind that Argentina has three reasonably effective German built SSK's - it is therefore possible that our T45 is going to be a bit busy keeping them at arms length, rather than fcuking about with surface strike missions.
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From: Bristol
As they're both MBDA products (as is Sea Viper) i'd imagine the numbers have been run...
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Something about these T45s that I don't quite understand. I presume I've missed out on some key information somewhere....
There are repeated comments about 400 mile radar range, and being able to "take the Argentine aircraft out as they leave their airfields"..... so without breaching secrets, how does that work? That range is beyond the curvature of the horizon. Do we finally really have a working OTH backscatter radar? If so that makes any kind of AWACS / AEW redundant. (And incidentally removes or reduces the need for catapults in the carriers...)
Or is it all marketing wishful thinking?
There are repeated comments about 400 mile radar range, and being able to "take the Argentine aircraft out as they leave their airfields"..... so without breaching secrets, how does that work? That range is beyond the curvature of the horizon. Do we finally really have a working OTH backscatter radar? If so that makes any kind of AWACS / AEW redundant. (And incidentally removes or reduces the need for catapults in the carriers...)
Or is it all marketing wishful thinking?
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From: Portsmouth
Most of it is b8llocks.
The LRR has a nominal range of 400 klicks, but only in a straight line (ie at height) and does not provide track info for Sea Viper.
Sea Viper as we must now call Aster 15/30 has a range in the several tens of nm.
The LRR has a nominal range of 400 klicks, but only in a straight line (ie at height) and does not provide track info for Sea Viper.
Sea Viper as we must now call Aster 15/30 has a range in the several tens of nm.
Suspicion breeds confidence
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From: Gibraltar
I would not under estimate the Meko 360, but they have not been updated since purchase and still employ 1970s technology. Unless the enemy has purchased new Aspide missiles (which are no longer made) or refurbished their existing stock, I doubt they would work as they would be time expired long ago.
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From: Argentina
I donīt want to be involved in the anti-Argentine arguing. Just to point that the Aspides were healthy now.
Electronics, warheads and such were updated back in 2007 / 2008.
Destroyer La Argentina (Meko 360 class) "birds away" on november 2008.
Finally, another little correction, the most modern ship in Argentine Navy (ARA) is ARA Gomez Roca, a Meko 140 corvette active since May 2004 (8 years old).
Again, I am not comparing those ships with a Type 45 and I am not arguing about war and such. I am sure that all of this could be settled with gainings for all parties involved.
Regards!
Electronics, warheads and such were updated back in 2007 / 2008.
Destroyer La Argentina (Meko 360 class) "birds away" on november 2008.
Finally, another little correction, the most modern ship in Argentine Navy (ARA) is ARA Gomez Roca, a Meko 140 corvette active since May 2004 (8 years old).
Again, I am not comparing those ships with a Type 45 and I am not arguing about war and such. I am sure that all of this could be settled with gainings for all parties involved.
Regards!