Thank you "Engines"
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Military Forum Problems (name change)
I believe that many of us would agree that the Military Forum on Pprune is in a bad way.
There are various reasons for this including the sensitivities of actual active military aviators posting whilst we are involved on active operations, the growth of the forum Walts/Wannabies/Wierdos etc, but the upshot of it all is that this forum has less and less relevance to current military aviation.
Fewer actual current military you speak to bother to come on here any more because there is so much waffle to wade through.
There are various reasons for this including the sensitivities of actual active military aviators posting whilst we are involved on active operations, the growth of the forum Walts/Wannabies/Wierdos etc, but the upshot of it all is that this forum has less and less relevance to current military aviation.
Fewer actual current military you speak to bother to come on here any more because there is so much waffle to wade through.
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Perhaps, like the airline forums, there should be some form of password to get in? Then we might have less posts starting, 'I'm not in the military, but.....'
This forum does seem to attract an enormous number of people who have nothing whatsoever to do with the military except for a desire to espouse their viewpoint, even if they have no idea about what's being discussed. Perhaps we ought to have some form of acronym filtering to isolate those who don't belong here?
This forum does seem to attract an enormous number of people who have nothing whatsoever to do with the military except for a desire to espouse their viewpoint, even if they have no idea about what's being discussed. Perhaps we ought to have some form of acronym filtering to isolate those who don't belong here?
What tosh. I like the old and bold chipping in - we ignore them at our peril. There is often more sense spoken by those outside the wire than those that are currently inside.
Now I retired 4 months ago but I am inside the wire every working day in uniform - so where would that put me in your little exclusive scheme? I know, I could be like some sort of comedy Ronnie Barker with an SD hat on one side and a bowler hat on the other! And I occassionally fly military hardware.
I say again, what tosh.
LJ
Now I retired 4 months ago but I am inside the wire every working day in uniform - so where would that put me in your little exclusive scheme? I know, I could be like some sort of comedy Ronnie Barker with an SD hat on one side and a bowler hat on the other! And I occassionally fly military hardware.
I say again, what tosh.
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Be careful what you wish for because, inevitably, one day you too will retire from the mob.
Do you really want to be frozen out of something you have enjoyed and contributed to for the last umpty-ump years?
Do you really want to be frozen out of something you have enjoyed and contributed to for the last umpty-ump years?
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I agree with you regarding the "Tosh" spoken in the first post.
Shame the "Tourist" considers "the growth of the forum Walts/Wannabies/Wierdos" to be beneath him as it would appear he is currently serving.
I did my 23 1/2 years and left 12 years ago but I still have a lot to do with the RAF via the Motorsport fraternity.
But it seems a shame that mr Tourist does not like the intrusion of people who are interested in the Military Aircraft side of things, there is loads of people at my workplace who love aeroplanes especially military ones.
Shame to dampen their interest by banning them like suggested
I agree with you regarding the "Tosh" spoken in the first post.
Military Aircrew A forum for the professionals who fly the non-civilian hardware, and the backroom boys and girls without whom nothing would leave the ground. Army, Navy and Airforces of the World, all equally welcome here.
I did my 23 1/2 years and left 12 years ago but I still have a lot to do with the RAF via the Motorsport fraternity.
But it seems a shame that mr Tourist does not like the intrusion of people who are interested in the Military Aircraft side of things, there is loads of people at my workplace who love aeroplanes especially military ones.
Shame to dampen their interest by banning them like suggested
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There are various reasons for this including the sensitivities of actual active military aviators posting whilst we are involved on active operations, the growth of the forum Walts/Wannabies/Wierdos etc, but the upshot of it all is that this forum has less and less relevance to current military aviation.
Methinks a "Tourist" Forum would be populated by too many antagonists?
The whole point of these forums are to discuss seriously or to chat idly about anything to do with aviation (and military aviation being a small part of the "Other" types allowed on Pprune).
If you want to discuss pure military things in a serious and undisturbed atmosphere then you'd have better luck going to the Mess bar or the crewroom.
...but I do agree that Engines appears to know his stuff.
The whole point of these forums are to discuss seriously or to chat idly about anything to do with aviation (and military aviation being a small part of the "Other" types allowed on Pprune).
If you want to discuss pure military things in a serious and undisturbed atmosphere then you'd have better luck going to the Mess bar or the crewroom.
...but I do agree that Engines appears to know his stuff.
Well, maybe Tourist's point is directed more towards the small number of people that come here are just abuse and rant without any military background. As you all know, I'm retired (EDIT: not retired, redundancy at 49 after 30 years of service), but I don't think I scare off service folk. And I didn't think his comments were aimed at me or most of the rest of us here. Look at a couple of the threads this evening and I think it's easy to see people like Crystal, whomsoever that may be, that really are being stupid.
Just my opinion. Tell me if I'm wrong.
Just my opinion. Tell me if I'm wrong.
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Does this mean as ex RAF I am no longer wanted here in Tourist eyes, if that is the case you could just about close the Caption Competition thread as a lot of posters are retired / ex forces, whilst Tourist can quite happily go back to Stacking blankets safe in the knowledge he has got one up on the rest of the world. 
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The written word alone is never the best format for communicating with folks we have never met and I fear we may be guilty of misunderstanding what Tourist was trying to say.
I should check to see if 'Engines' is still a serving member of Her Majesty's Forces but why should I? His\hers\their posts have all been extremely informative and I do not give a flying fig if they are retired or serving.
During my time earning the Queen's shilling we were taught that if we could not say anything nice about our colleagues, (apart from crap fats and pongoes) then keep quiet
Well said Tourist (I hope)
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I should check to see if 'Engines' is still a serving member of Her Majesty's Forces but why should I? His\hers\their posts have all been extremely informative and I do not give a flying fig if they are retired or serving.
During my time earning the Queen's shilling we were taught that if we could not say anything nice about our colleagues, (apart from crap fats and pongoes) then keep quiet
Well said Tourist (I hope)
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John the old wrinkly
Right on target as usual Glojo. Tourist. It may be useful to expand on your initial statement. I don't think everyone is understanding you correctly.
OR - everyone is understanding you correctly and it's time for some of us to move on. If the latter is correct, then don't feel you need to clarify.
Engines, how doe it feel to have a whole thread about you? Still want to hear more about guns!
OR - everyone is understanding you correctly and it's time for some of us to move on. If the latter is correct, then don't feel you need to clarify.
Engines, how doe it feel to have a whole thread about you? Still want to hear more about guns!
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What we need is an independent body setting up to look into this, as the majority he appears to be singling out are RAF, perhaps a member of the Army should adjudicate, they seem to also have a plethora of senior ranks, so perhaps a General would suit.... Do they still have Witch Finder in their career structure?
Ahh more waffle for him to wade through
Ahh more waffle for him to wade through
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Good God.
I sincerely hope this thread closes down as soon as possible, because this forum should, I hope, be about exchanging informed opinion and fact for mutual benefit, certainly not trolling or abuse, and certainly not about any one person who posts, including me..
I think it should also be about humour and tolerance, because those are the key qualities that my service taught me.
I am ex-service, retired officer, ex-Fleet Air Arm, and an unashamed and proud aircraft engineer. I still work in the military aircraft business, helping to deliver stuff to the incredibly brave people who actually fly the kit in service. I hope that qualifies me to post. The day that anyone objects to my posts I'll be history.
Best Regards as ever, ( and thank you for the kind words)
Engines
I sincerely hope this thread closes down as soon as possible, because this forum should, I hope, be about exchanging informed opinion and fact for mutual benefit, certainly not trolling or abuse, and certainly not about any one person who posts, including me..
I think it should also be about humour and tolerance, because those are the key qualities that my service taught me.
I am ex-service, retired officer, ex-Fleet Air Arm, and an unashamed and proud aircraft engineer. I still work in the military aircraft business, helping to deliver stuff to the incredibly brave people who actually fly the kit in service. I hope that qualifies me to post. The day that anyone objects to my posts I'll be history.
Best Regards as ever, ( and thank you for the kind words)
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I think a few of you need to read what I wrote a bit more carefully.
At no point did I suggest getting rid of old and bold, and did not "single out" anybody except "Engines" and that was for praise Nutloose. (sorry about that)
I am suggesting that the growth of the "Walts/Wannabies/Wierdos " is killing this forum for actual current military members, and whilst the old timers are great, without the current guys it is no longer a "Military Aircrew" forum so much as a Royal British Legion Bar.
I have no problem with ex mil guys. For example, I don't think BEagle and I share a single opinion, but his factual knowledge on here is invaluable.
At no point did I suggest getting rid of old and bold, and did not "single out" anybody except "Engines" and that was for praise Nutloose. (sorry about that)
I am suggesting that the growth of the "Walts/Wannabies/Wierdos " is killing this forum for actual current military members, and whilst the old timers are great, without the current guys it is no longer a "Military Aircrew" forum so much as a Royal British Legion Bar.
I have no problem with ex mil guys. For example, I don't think BEagle and I share a single opinion, but his factual knowledge on here is invaluable.