The C27's are a coming
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Brace Brace Brace
FHLL, your reference to the FENGLOAD on the Caribou is interesting. Some of my best friends were Loadmasters or CrewmanTech and they were an integral part of the operation. Loadmaster airborne and Technician on the ground, never a Flight Engineer. Don't know the reasoning behind their role ever being defined as a Flight Engineer. Many moved into the Flight Engineer role post Caribou of course and they were excellent FE's. (Maybe I had better brace for incoming)
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C-27Js are coming!
FLGOFF Bograt: You wanted to see me Sir?
XO 35SQN: Bograt, Was that you hacking your name onto the flying program?
Boggie: No Sir that was the other Bograt.
XO: Well somehow you've got the job. Right - Army support Shoalwater Bay, 5 days. Take the new guy and Crusty to look after you. We've got two Techos and the GL SGT to go with you. Bit of low level airland, para, some helibox stuff and don't forget your NV gear. I'll Auth. Any questions?
Boggie: Sir, my parents live just outside of Rocky...
XO: Don't even think about it.
Boggie: No questions Sir.
XO: Right - sort it out. And Bograt...
Boggie: Yes Sir?
XO: Don't Fu*$ up!
XO 35SQN: Bograt, Was that you hacking your name onto the flying program?
Boggie: No Sir that was the other Bograt.
XO: Well somehow you've got the job. Right - Army support Shoalwater Bay, 5 days. Take the new guy and Crusty to look after you. We've got two Techos and the GL SGT to go with you. Bit of low level airland, para, some helibox stuff and don't forget your NV gear. I'll Auth. Any questions?
Boggie: Sir, my parents live just outside of Rocky...
XO: Don't even think about it.
Boggie: No questions Sir.
XO: Right - sort it out. And Bograt...
Boggie: Yes Sir?
XO: Don't Fu*$ up!
Old Fella,
nice to hear. My father (passed way before his time) was a Bou LM in Vietnam and a Bou FE when he got back in. I remember him, other LM/FE's and Pilots all gathering at our home or waterskiing. I also had the privilege of going on a few trips in the Bou as a young fella. The relationship seemed very respectful and inclusive, certainly set me a good example of CRM for my flying career.
(P.S. The Bou - it, the Bronco or Mirage - the only Fixed Wing I would want to be seen in)
Cheers,
Doors Off
nice to hear. My father (passed way before his time) was a Bou LM in Vietnam and a Bou FE when he got back in. I remember him, other LM/FE's and Pilots all gathering at our home or waterskiing. I also had the privilege of going on a few trips in the Bou as a young fella. The relationship seemed very respectful and inclusive, certainly set me a good example of CRM for my flying career.
(P.S. The Bou - it, the Bronco or Mirage - the only Fixed Wing I would want to be seen in)
Cheers,
Doors Off
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Interesting piece (maybe) published online by Flight Global this evening:
Australia has defended its decision to acquire the L-3 Communications/Alenia C-27J tactical airlifter following a press release by Airbus Military expressing dissatisfaction with the decision.
In a point-by-point statement on the department of defence web site, minister for defence Stephen Smith dismissed Airbus Military's contention that there was no "competition" to fill the AIR 8000 Phase 2 requirement for 10 battlefield airlifters.
"A competitive down select to the C-27J was made following an exhaustive assessment by the [department of defence], defence materiel organisation, and air force of information provided by the manufacturers of the aircraft, including Airbus Military and the C-295."
Australia has defended its decision to acquire the L-3 Communications/Alenia C-27J tactical airlifter following a press release by Airbus Military expressing dissatisfaction with the decision.
In a point-by-point statement on the department of defence web site, minister for defence Stephen Smith dismissed Airbus Military's contention that there was no "competition" to fill the AIR 8000 Phase 2 requirement for 10 battlefield airlifters.
"A competitive down select to the C-27J was made following an exhaustive assessment by the [department of defence], defence materiel organisation, and air force of information provided by the manufacturers of the aircraft, including Airbus Military and the C-295."
Doors Off,
I found the culture at the Caribou Sqn (38 at Amberley when I was in) exactly as you describe. In fact looking back I still believe it is the best workplace I have ever had, military or civilian. It all came down to the people. The Caribou crews and ground staff were always a very friendly, inclusive bunch. The Sqn had a healthy social scene and a real camaraderie that I have not found anywhere else. Very happy times.
I found the culture at the Caribou Sqn (38 at Amberley when I was in) exactly as you describe. In fact looking back I still believe it is the best workplace I have ever had, military or civilian. It all came down to the people. The Caribou crews and ground staff were always a very friendly, inclusive bunch. The Sqn had a healthy social scene and a real camaraderie that I have not found anywhere else. Very happy times.
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Doors Off, firstly I was sorry to read regarding your Dad's passing and I can relate to your feelings as my own father passed away when I was only 27. I also can relate to the sentiments expressed regarding the camaraderie in the the Caribou squadron as related by you and Trojan1981. I enjoyed the same in 36 Squadron, and also during my attachment to 37 Sqn, pre the C130H being brought into service. Although only a very small outfit in the initial B707 days, as 33 Flight of 37 Squadron, we did enjoy a great relationship among our crews and I would like to think that continued after my time and as the B707 fleet grew.
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Sorry for the thread drift.
Did either of you ever fly to the following places with Army members on board or pick them up from the following places ?
Albury Airport - para jump into Lake Hume (I think Caribou)
Phillip Island Grand Prix - (Caribou - their was a blackhawk as well and
a race back by the two of you from Phillip Island to RAAF Laverton.
Portland Airport - Night extraction of raiding force (C130)
Murray bridge range - dirt strip (Caribou)
Woomera Rocket Range - Night extraction of raiding force (C130)
Laverton and Point Cook - both C130 and Caribou - jumps
Singleton to Laverton (Caribou) - who ever was the pilot did me a great service by doing a fly by over my house before landing !!! Even the neighbours commented.
Always had great service from all of the groups mentioned.
Did either of you ever fly to the following places with Army members on board or pick them up from the following places ?
Albury Airport - para jump into Lake Hume (I think Caribou)
Phillip Island Grand Prix - (Caribou - their was a blackhawk as well and
a race back by the two of you from Phillip Island to RAAF Laverton.
Portland Airport - Night extraction of raiding force (C130)
Murray bridge range - dirt strip (Caribou)
Woomera Rocket Range - Night extraction of raiding force (C130)
Laverton and Point Cook - both C130 and Caribou - jumps
Singleton to Laverton (Caribou) - who ever was the pilot did me a great service by doing a fly by over my house before landing !!! Even the neighbours commented.
Always had great service from all of the groups mentioned.
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Sorry mate, I think you are a bit too young for me to have been involved. By your profile you would have been only 16 years of age when I left the RAAF. Geez, am I that old?
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No problems, you left the light blue as I joined the green about a year later.
I am trying to find my Army folder that has one of the Squadron stickers on it
so I can post a photo.
I am trying to find my Army folder that has one of the Squadron stickers on it
so I can post a photo.
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Trojan1981, yes the 'Bou does. So also the C130. I joined the RAAF in February 1958, the same year the C130A came into RAAF service. I operated the A-E&H models. Picked up A97-001 & A97-012 in July & October 1978 respectively. Former A97-212, now N131EC, is still being flown in the USA out of Louisiana by Earl Cherry Aviation. As far as I am aware it is the only C130A still flying using Aeroproducts propellers. Google up N131EC and you will see the old girl if you are interested. There are several references to it.
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Picked up A97-001 & A97-012 in July & October 1978 respectively
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Via Canada.
Hi BBadanov. Correct, via Edmonton to check out their setup for SAR work. Modified paradoor, crew seat on small pallet etc. JC was the Skipper and PG the Loadie. Can't recall the rest of the crew, just remember having to "hurry" back to Richmond to catch up on schedule. PM me if you like.
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Picked up A97-001 & A97-012 in July & October 1978 respectively.
There were (are?) some who said the Herc was a bit like an MG - they stopped making sports cars after the 'A'.
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Originally Posted by Wiley
Am I having a major 'senior moment'? In my addled brain, I recall the first RAAF 'A' model as A97-005 and the last, A97-016.
According to ADF Aircraft Serial Numbers - RAAF A97 Lockheed C-130A/E/H/J Hercules the 12 C-130As (A97-205 through -216) were delivered 1958-59. These were at the end of RAAF series 2 serials*.
The 12 C-130Es (A97-159 through -190) were delivered in 1966.
The 12 C-130Hs were delivered as follows: A97-001 through -003 7/78, -004 through -006 8/78, -007 through -009 9/78, and -010 through -012 10/78
The 12 C-130J-30s (A97-440 through -468) were delivered in 2000.
So Old Fella was talking about the C-130H in 1978, not the C-130A in 1958.
* Welcome to ADF Serials
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