Aircrewman Exodus
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I do love it when somebody calls a fellow poster, "lad" or "son" how utterly condescending and arrogant! this is a forum for people to express their opinions, you might not agree with them you may diametrically oppose them in fact, but they are valid and considered views of somebody who wishes to air them.
"Promotion is still available to those who work hard and earn it" read suck cock and get several anal secondary duties!
The future is far from rosey for all the NCA cardre/RAF.
"Promotion is still available to those who work hard and earn it" read suck cock and get several anal secondary duties!
The future is far from rosey for all the NCA cardre/RAF.
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From: Cornwall
Jayand
Thanks son, I appreciate your support. lol
Irrespective of peoples take on the best plan for the future on redundancy I have a few general talking points for you consideration:
Secondly is there anyone out there who can see any suitable alternative options for employment of NCA inside or outside of the military? Looking for some inspiration as I feel like I'm going round in circles!
Any genuine inputs much appreciated!
Irrespective of peoples take on the best plan for the future on redundancy I have a few general talking points for you consideration:
- Does maintaining CHF justify the considerable cost of the Merlin transition?
- Is the in to service date for Puma 2 not too late? - Considering the small platform would have been ideal for the Olympics and Herrick will be almost complete before they can deploy?
- With RJ still looking to be a considerable way off how long do you retain crews to man it?
Secondly is there anyone out there who can see any suitable alternative options for employment of NCA inside or outside of the military? Looking for some inspiration as I feel like I'm going round in circles!
Any genuine inputs much appreciated!
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From: ice station kilo
Secondly is there anyone out there who can see any suitable alternative options for employment of NCA inside or outside of the military? Looking for some inspiration as I feel like I'm going round in circles!
Joined: Aug 2005
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From: west midlands
Tranche 1
Just a small point, there was 1 redundancy in Tranche 1, me! On a lighter note, if you are prepared to look away from aviation there are jobs out there, but I concur that the situation can look grim....
Clear above and behind
Clear above and behind
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From: Lake District
I really must read all of the post before commenting! In my defence I am generally regarded as 'slow but likeable'.
Going back to the now not-viewable photo on this thread I doubt he would be overly fussed...a big lad he may be but safe hands does he have.
Going back to the now not-viewable photo on this thread I doubt he would be overly fussed...a big lad he may be but safe hands does he have.
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From: home for good
There are some very bright and keen WSOps (no AEOps anymore...) who have moved to new fleets due to their ac being chopped from under them. As they are wearing a 'generic' brevet, if they are able to occupy other roles and maybe even excel at them, then why not? Limited places surely means the best will remain and the overall quality/performance will improve? Given we were all in competition for places at some stage (Selection, AACMT, IOT etc), having more people available than spaces can't be a new experience!
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From: 4 Civvy Street. Nowhere-near-a-base. The Shires.
It isn't a single genre and never will be...e.g.
Nimrod gets chopped = mass redundancies (followed by PVR's also)
Merlin gets chopped = mass crossovers to fixed wing
CS
and as for quality going up, that isn't happening whilst current posting policy keeps above average operators on the ground (even after promotion) and staffs the dwindling fleets of aircraft with them that aren't and in some cases never will be.
Rant off, time for my medicine...
Nimrod gets chopped = mass redundancies (followed by PVR's also)
Merlin gets chopped = mass crossovers to fixed wing
CS
and as for quality going up, that isn't happening whilst current posting policy keeps above average operators on the ground (even after promotion) and staffs the dwindling fleets of aircraft with them that aren't and in some cases never will be.
Rant off, time for my medicine...
Last edited by camelspyyder; 7th February 2013 at 16:25.
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From: Europe
Camelspyyder is spot on unfortunately
Sandy Parts
Few WSOps Sensor guys have been able or allowed to move fleets, that is still a recruiting tool IMHO. As CS points out rather than balance out the new structure there are very few above average experienced WSOp Sensors getting flying jobs as the plan is to get all the new ones flying. This will bite us in a couple of years when there is a hole where the experienced instructor/standards guys should be, but can't because they are not on a fleet now 
Most that were fired have found good jobs in the real world which isn't helping the PVR rates, especially of those that aren't in flying jobs
Sandy Parts
There are some very bright and keen WSOps (no AEOps anymore...) who have moved to new fleets due to their ac being chopped from under them. As they are wearing a 'generic' brevet, if they are able to occupy other roles and maybe even excel at them, then why not? Limited places surely means the best will remain and the overall quality/performance will improve? Given we were all in competition for places at some stage (Selection, AACMT, IOT etc), having more people available than spaces can't be a new experience!
Most that were fired have found good jobs in the real world which isn't helping the PVR rates, especially of those that aren't in flying jobs
Last edited by Ivan Rogov; 7th February 2013 at 17:47.
