Colonel Gaddafi is dead.
Well I've watched the video and don't see much to admire about our brave rebels.In fact if they're Libya's future then its frying pan and fire.Or maybe I'm just a bit squeamish.
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I think the Rebels have been pretty gutsy taking on Gadafi before NATO got involved. And even though they had "air cover" after NATO, still a good effort to do what they did with a lack of heavy weapons that a modern Army would use.
Also, wouldn't you separate the rebels from the NTC leadership ? Most of the Rebels would have jumped on the bad wagon and thought it a good chance for a Holiday and a shoot 'em up.
I think the Rebels have been pretty gutsy taking on Gadafi before NATO got involved. And even though they had "air cover" after NATO, still a good effort to do what they did with a lack of heavy weapons that a modern Army would use.
Also, wouldn't you separate the rebels from the NTC leadership ? Most of the Rebels would have jumped on the bad wagon and thought it a good chance for a Holiday and a shoot 'em up.
Points taken.As I said maybe I'm too squeamish-I thought Saddam's dispatch was 'unbecoming' for example.However a sadistic bloodthirsty mob remains as such whatever context its placed in.
500 I agree many of the fighters will have come along for the ride.How many do you think will permanently lay down arms ?
500 I agree many of the fighters will have come along for the ride.How many do you think will permanently lay down arms ?
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Personally, I always thought that if SOME of the Rebels got hold of him he would be killed without trial - the same for some of his sons. As it was, it proved true. I don't blame them and in some ways, it may be easier on everyone since the bloody leftist do gooders would have got involved if he went to trial.
I would have liked him to stand trial ONLY so we got some answers to certain things - Lockerbie, PC Fletcher, Semtex / Arms shipments, the IRA, German disco bombing and others, the remains of the US Airman still in Libya from the 1996 bombing. I still think he should have been hung or shot afterwards.
Considering the Rebels seemed to be reasonably co-ordinated at some points in the campaign, the media reports near the end seemed to be more a rag tag brigade and the leadership had stayed in Tripoli.
Maybe I just got different media footage or read the situation differently.
"How many do you think will permanently lay down arms ?"
All depends on how quickly the NTC gets it's ass into gear and starts running the country and enforcing the rule of law.
Not all will, that is for sure - the mountain people in the west (the one's who stormed Tripoli) I think might stay armed so they don't get walked over again like in the last 40 years.
They have had a while to get ready so hopefully the US, British and French have got some decent plans laid out that are already being implemented.
After all, they have had Tripoli for a while now.
I wonder if they will resurrect the Military and Police but with new commanders and get some sort of law and order going to stop any further violence ?
We don't need a Muslim / Islamic nightmare on Europe's doorstep, that's for sure.
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Personally, I always thought that if SOME of the Rebels got hold of him he would be killed without trial - the same for some of his sons. As it was, it proved true. I don't blame them and in some ways, it may be easier on everyone since the bloody leftist do gooders would have got involved if he went to trial.
I would have liked him to stand trial ONLY so we got some answers to certain things - Lockerbie, PC Fletcher, Semtex / Arms shipments, the IRA, German disco bombing and others, the remains of the US Airman still in Libya from the 1996 bombing. I still think he should have been hung or shot afterwards.
Considering the Rebels seemed to be reasonably co-ordinated at some points in the campaign, the media reports near the end seemed to be more a rag tag brigade and the leadership had stayed in Tripoli.
Maybe I just got different media footage or read the situation differently.
"How many do you think will permanently lay down arms ?"
All depends on how quickly the NTC gets it's ass into gear and starts running the country and enforcing the rule of law.
Not all will, that is for sure - the mountain people in the west (the one's who stormed Tripoli) I think might stay armed so they don't get walked over again like in the last 40 years.
They have had a while to get ready so hopefully the US, British and French have got some decent plans laid out that are already being implemented.
After all, they have had Tripoli for a while now.
I wonder if they will resurrect the Military and Police but with new commanders and get some sort of law and order going to stop any further violence ?
We don't need a Muslim / Islamic nightmare on Europe's doorstep, that's for sure.
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I've been on the road for the last week so my media access is limited.I agree a fair trial would have been the most favourable end.And the best example.
But undeniably 'interesting times' ahead for Libya.Fingers crossed !
But undeniably 'interesting times' ahead for Libya.Fingers crossed !
Suspicion breeds confidence
I have to agree with the above. He has caused some much harm to all of us. He got what he deserved from his own people. No lawyers, no fees, just a carcass. Bin it and move on. Justice has been done. I think of the poor souls on PAN AM 103 and of Yvonne Fletcher and the many other un-named victims of this monster. He died the death he deserved.
We don't need a Muslim / Islamic nightmare on Europe's doorstep, that's for sure.
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Yes, I know, it turned that way when I lived there although
at that stage I think it was mostly West Indians, indians
and Pakistanis (Birmingham mainly so maybe someone
can refresh my memory from the 70's).
Yes, I know, it turned that way when I lived there although
at that stage I think it was mostly West Indians, indians
and Pakistanis (Birmingham mainly so maybe someone
can refresh my memory from the 70's).
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phil9560Well I've watched the video and don't see much to admire about our brave rebels.In fact if they're Libya's future then its frying pan and fire.Or maybe I'm just a bit squeamish
You do not know is how he got covered in blood in the first place, result of the air raid ? result of a firefight to get him out of his hiding place? all speculation really.
Now if you were taking someone down in a high risk area, you would tend to bundle him to cover also, would you not?. You are always going to get some tension due to what he has done to your friends and countrymen over the last few decades, years, days, hours and minutes too.
Rose Tinted Specs there methinks Nutloose !!
I reckon his end was pretty well forseeable. They are a pretty savage bunch down there !
My only hope, that unlike the fiasco in Iraq, NATO at least has and End Game plan up it's sleeve, although I doubt it.
How many of the weapons will find their way into the hands of the "brothers"
Christmas and birthdays all rolled into one for they of the "one true god" I reckon
I reckon his end was pretty well forseeable. They are a pretty savage bunch down there !
My only hope, that unlike the fiasco in Iraq, NATO at least has and End Game plan up it's sleeve, although I doubt it.
How many of the weapons will find their way into the hands of the "brothers"
Christmas and birthdays all rolled into one for they of the "one true god" I reckon
Lounge Chair Expert again Grifo?
You create mass graves by killing your opponents and anyone who speaks ill of you....then get much the same treatment as all those dead in the graves...and the guy deserves anything but what he got?
What planet are you living on?
You create mass graves by killing your opponents and anyone who speaks ill of you....then get much the same treatment as all those dead in the graves...and the guy deserves anything but what he got?
What planet are you living on?
How many of the weapons will find their way into the hands of the "brothers"
Christmas and birthdays all rolled into one for they of the "one true god" I recko
Christmas and birthdays all rolled into one for they of the "one true god" I recko
Pandora's box was opened.
RookiePilot,
That is Lizzie Phelan. She also goes under her maiden name of Lizzie Cocker. She is simply a naive idiot who allowed herself to be manipulated by the Gaddafi regime and his ministry of information. All her reports were biased in favour of the regime. Essentially NATO was failing and the rebels were not making progress.
The Gaddafi regime couldn't believe their luck when she arrived in Tripoli. Wherever the Gadaffi press minders took her she reported in full support of the regime. She was even claiming that AH-64 Apaches were mowing down thousands of civilians in Tripoli.
She writes for the Voltaire Network and also Pravda. The voltaire network is run by Thierry Meyssan. Meyssan was the conspiracy loon who made a fortune from his book claiming that 9/11 was an inside job. Meyssan spent half his time in Tripoli claiming that he was going to be bumped off by CIA and MI6 agents posing as journalist in Tripoli. Phelan was also on speed dial for Russia Today reports.
An example of her naivety in Libya. An extremely naive individual who was stunned when Tripoli fell.
An example of 'fake footage' that these types of reporters actually believed took place. They claimed that the rebels in Green Square was actually a film set in Doha!
Al Jazeera’s fake Green Square « Stop War Crimes!
That is Lizzie Phelan. She also goes under her maiden name of Lizzie Cocker. She is simply a naive idiot who allowed herself to be manipulated by the Gaddafi regime and his ministry of information. All her reports were biased in favour of the regime. Essentially NATO was failing and the rebels were not making progress.
The Gaddafi regime couldn't believe their luck when she arrived in Tripoli. Wherever the Gadaffi press minders took her she reported in full support of the regime. She was even claiming that AH-64 Apaches were mowing down thousands of civilians in Tripoli.
She writes for the Voltaire Network and also Pravda. The voltaire network is run by Thierry Meyssan. Meyssan was the conspiracy loon who made a fortune from his book claiming that 9/11 was an inside job. Meyssan spent half his time in Tripoli claiming that he was going to be bumped off by CIA and MI6 agents posing as journalist in Tripoli. Phelan was also on speed dial for Russia Today reports.
An example of her naivety in Libya. An extremely naive individual who was stunned when Tripoli fell.
An example of 'fake footage' that these types of reporters actually believed took place. They claimed that the rebels in Green Square was actually a film set in Doha!
Al Jazeera’s fake Green Square « Stop War Crimes!
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The logical CG says that justice must be seen to be done etc.......
The pragmatic CG is happy that not a single penny or cent will be spent on months of expensive incarceration, guarding; and best of all no Shami lawyers wringing their hands and banking huge cheques.
One down, who's next?
CG
The pragmatic CG is happy that not a single penny or cent will be spent on months of expensive incarceration, guarding; and best of all no Shami lawyers wringing their hands and banking huge cheques.
One down, who's next?
CG
Lounge Chair Expert again Grifo?
You create mass graves by killing your opponents and anyone who speaks ill of you....then get much the same treatment as all those dead in the graves...and the guy deserves anything but what he got?
What planet are you living on?
You create mass graves by killing your opponents and anyone who speaks ill of you....then get much the same treatment as all those dead in the graves...and the guy deserves anything but what he got?
What planet are you living on?
I have no real argument with the way he was found and dispatched, not a soul can say it was not deserved. No idea from where you concocted that little idea !
End Game and dispersion of weapons was of more interest to me.
Jusy look at the debacle in Iraq after the "victory"