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Old 15th Oct 2011, 08:27
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Has the MoD lost a good man? Well, he may have had a number of good qualities, but he played fast and loose with being in the sphere of influence of defence companies and arguable foreign powers.

None of that is in the national interest IMO.

There are already rumblings in the media about the firms of certain financial backers appearing to have not done badly out of SDSR, which if true sits (for me) somewhere on the continuum between insider trading, corruption and treason.
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Old 15th Oct 2011, 08:55
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I agree with TOFO and we have not heard the last of this affair.
Appears we will be hearing more quite soon...this from the BBC today

Mr Fox's conduct is being investigated by Cabinet Secretary Sir Gus O'Donnell and a report is due to be published early next week.
It is expected to be very critical of his actions.
Look how DC has played this. From the get go he was cautious in his support but prompt in his demands for action. Leave out the obligatory political niceties and it was crystal clear to me last week that he thought this dude is going down...stand well clear.
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Old 15th Oct 2011, 09:05
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There are already rumblings in the media about the firms of certain financial backers appearing to have not done badly out of SDSR, which if true sits (for me) somewhere on the continuum between insider trading, corruption and treason.
Interesting...

My view of the SDSR was that the outcomes were intellectually incoherent...with cockup over conspiracy as the driving force.

Three factors in play..

1. The key political players LF, DC & GO (and their advisors) know the square root of **** all about matters military.

2. The MOD input was just a vehicle for the services to fight each other (absoloutely no change there then!)

3. The military industrial complex had its foot firmly in the door, waving contracts about like confetti.

If it turns up (not that "it" will ever be allowed to "turn up"), that the third factor from the list above was the key determinant and that vested individual financial adgendas were in play...then I am in your gang.

Treason.
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Old 15th Oct 2011, 09:56
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Sure the Cabinet Secretary should be listed as 'GOD' or 'Sir God'?

Can we read anything into his 'retirement'?
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Old 15th Oct 2011, 11:14
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Typical Labour double standards. Introduce a ban with hunting with dogs and then start chasing a Fox.....
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Old 15th Oct 2011, 17:54
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Hammond does seem like a good chap for the job but let's wait and see.
Really? Do we really need another multi-millionaire business man & consultant who knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing at a time when Defence is already reeling? Somehow I think Mr Hammond's business instincts aren't going to do us any favours.
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Old 15th Oct 2011, 18:21
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Originally Posted by Just This Once...
I agree with TOFO and we have not heard the last of this affair.

If, as it appears, this mysterious chap was in the employ of defence lobbyists then all hell will descend on the Capability areas of MoD. This particular cuckoo was with the SoS as we went through the most painful and savage cuts for a generation.
What, you mean (among other things) the axing of various projects that, while expensive, would have at least kept the money in our economy and instead diverting that money to Septic military contractors who wined and dined the pair around the world?

Say it ain't so...
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who knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing at a time when Defence is already reeling
Yes - to counter the arguments of top brass who know the value of everything but the cost of nothing. The country is broke and we will end up like Greece if we don't radically cut spending.
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Old 15th Oct 2011, 18:43
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Really? Do we really need another multi-millionaire business man & consultant who knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing at a time when Defence is already reeling? Somehow I think Mr Hammond's business instincts aren't going to do us any favours.
Dunno as he is wealthy anyway then the need to have dodgy groups pay for advisers is unlikely to happen.

He also has no history in visiting despot regimes like Sri Lanka paid for by even more suspect Govt and agencies.

More you look at Fox the more you get the impression that he was always destined for Sec Defence with the idea pushed by Tory backers.
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Old 15th Oct 2011, 18:44
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The country is broke and we will end up like Greece if we don't radically cut spending.
We already have. Whilst not privvy to the figures, my gut instinct tells me many more cuts and we will beyond a point of being a viable military. But maybe that's the intention and you can get rid of us in total.

Just think how many RBS Christmas parties the defence budget could fund!
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Old 15th Oct 2011, 20:04
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It appears that he has returned to the medical profession:

Doctor Fox: Online Doctors Prescriptions and Pharmacy
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TOFO,

Re your post on previous page.

You could have saved your typing finger by writing....

"He's a politician"...

Covers everything you said.
You should have realised he was lying because his lips were moving!

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Oddly enough, I thought the same thing myself
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Originally Posted by Trim Stab
Yes - to counter the arguments of top brass who know the value of everything but the cost of nothing. The country is broke and we will end up like Greece if we don't radically cut spending.
That's just an excuse the Tories are using to foist their austerity plan on the less well-off. Our economy is nothing like Greece's - our biggest weakness is exposure to the whims of the financial services industry (which is the only world-class industry we have left after Thatcher's and Major's slash-and-burn).
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Old 20th Oct 2011, 00:19
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Dr Fox

Seeing him today , only saying sorry for breaching the ministerial code and saying national security wasnt breached.....eh we take his word do we? Left the RAF after 20 years just 2 years ago myself and now going back on a base I need to go through a new security screening which no probs with but the man at the top lets his mates in. The mans arrogance today unreal , he does truly believe he hasnt done any wrong!!
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