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Old 4th Sep 2011, 08:50
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Totally different role to that of the SKASW. Like the SKAEW and SKCDO are single pilot because they are flow in a different role environment.
The roles of RN Lynx & Merlin are not that different from SKASW surely? All of the arguments above justifying two pilots for SKASW could arguably apply to RN Lynx & Merlin too.

And I'm fairly certain every SKCDO I've ever been in had two up front - so if only one pilot who was the other chap?

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The Lhs in Lynx and Merlin may be occupied on t/o but there's nothing they HAVE to operate then. I saw plenty of Lynx solos when I was flying it.
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Sometimes I despair.

No, the lynx does not operate like an asw sk. Very different profiles for various reasons including kit and single pilot operation. Very limited night/imc in comparison to sk6, and even then may be the highest workload single pilot helicopter.
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Just accept that the SK4 CDO is designated as a single pilot aircraft. The reason you probably saw it with two aircrew could be many reasons from currency to training to keeping a crewman upto speed with manual throttles!!

PS - It was great to fly single pilot - especially with a Light Gun underneath!!
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No, the lynx does not operate like an asw sk. Very different profiles for various reasons including kit and single pilot operation. Very limited night/imc in comparison to sk6, and even then may be the highest workload single pilot helicopter.
Tourist - so why is Merlin SP? Is that less night/IMC capable than SK?

I'd have thought Merlin would be harder to fly SP than SK - more performance, heavier, faster? Presumably engine-management on Merlin is easier though? Avionics also presumably more user-friendly? Do these advantages offset workload enough to allow it to be operated SP?

No need to get desperate - genuine questions.

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Old 4th Sep 2011, 12:57
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Trim,

There's a mighty difference between being designated a single pilot aircraft and actually flown as one on mil ops. The SK4 is/was rarely flown single pilot on ops in recent years in order to share workload & handling when necessary.

Similarly the Merlin is generally flown twin pilot. There'll always be exceptions and no doubt there will now be a plethora of posts telling me so

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Old 4th Sep 2011, 13:08
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Thanks to the gash way the Lynx was designed, it's helpful to have either a third hand, or a spare bod in the other seat to match the torques. It's also helpful if he's an idea which way to twist the knob on the end of the SSL. It's undoubtably fun to fly it solo, but wtf were they thinking of?
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Old 5th Sep 2011, 18:15
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"I'd have thought Merlin would be harder to fly SP than SK - more performance, heavier, faster"

That really is not the way helicopters work.

More performance = generally easier not harder
Heavier = more stable
Faster = well its all relative, but helicopters are all slow. 110kts or 160kts whats the difference?
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it's helpful to have either a third hand
Don't know about hands, but some of the locals around Valley have a second head...
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Old 5th Sep 2011, 20:48
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If faster = more difficult, how did tyro pilots manage the Gazelle?

The answer is quite well in most cases. We'll draw a veil over my rather poor early attempts at EOLs
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conversation approx 1976, in Westland Sports Club following a rugby game. Much drink on board.
Me to member of flight test team:
"How come the Lynx only needs one pilot?"
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"Cos the ****ing autopilot actually works on that. Mind you if it fails you'll crash..."
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Agree with most, but not your statement that more performance=easier.

In my experience, more performance = army load more kit on until you have none left.

Also, greater weight range such as wokka, full fuel at 15.5 tonnes, MAUM 22.7 to 24.5 tonnes, catches you out sometimes in terms of lulling you into a false sense of security....

Just an opinion.
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No argument there, I was trying to simplify things for the hard of thinking.
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"Cos the ****ing autopilot actually works on that. Mind you if it fails you'll crash..."
however, the Blue Eagles display manoeuvres are flown with only the yaw channel engaged to maximise the responsiveness of the rotor system in pitch and roll.
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