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Old 28th Aug 2011, 11:01
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Geehovah. Excellent vid, thanks.

The grey / silver bits stayed just about visible when the white had gone. I can understand your puckering! So why are L1011s et al not painted camo or drab? Is there a point to them being white if it compromises air-to-air and other close formating? Sorry if I'm being less than bright.

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Ah yes, that reminds me of the joys of holding position in IMC with something painted in AD grey........thank heavens for the boot prints
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Old 28th Aug 2011, 11:17
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Even more exciting when all you can see is the basket and a bit of hose disappearing into the murk.- how do you spell leens again?
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Pom pom, TriShaws are painted John Major Grey these days, they are no longer white.

In GW1, the 2 Pink Pigs had half the reflected light value of a white TriStar.
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Close formation in helicopters:

That looks about right = 2 rotor spans
Jesus that's close = 1 1/2 rotor spans
F*cking hell that's close = the required 1 span (usually accompanied by the crewmen muttering about fire axes and pilots heads if he gets any f*cking closer)
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Close formation in helicopters:
At least you get a better audio warning if you get too close to your wing man in a helicopter. I vaguely rememeber the RN's 'Whales" display team (a pair of Sea Kings) had a close encounter while practicing in the early eighties, and both landed safely despite multiple blade strikes, which sort of disproved the theory that when the whirling bades of death touch something, death is instantaneous and catastrophic (OK, it normally is).
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Even more exciting when all you can see is the basket and a bit of hose disappearing into the murk.- how do you spell leens again?
Whenever I did this I always developed the very clear impression that we were both going vertically downward. (Something to do with the speed of the whispy stuff whipping past, I guess). I was unwise enough to mention this to the copilot once, who opined that it ought to be easy with a hose to keep us attached. I was too busy to hit him at the time, but I did eat his sandwiches later.
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..and did that co-pilot slowly grin uncontrollably once he saw you finally swallow the last of that sandwich?
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No, he wasn't smart enough to have thought of sabotage . . .
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Old 28th Aug 2011, 19:11
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Reminds me, formation loops and barrel rolls in the black stuff!
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Old 28th Aug 2011, 21:39
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I think that proves you didn't pay attention to the 'leans' lecture
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Anti-col off, navs on steady dim, lead with one in min burner, try it sometime!
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Old 28th Aug 2011, 22:51
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...and Dark Visor raised or lowered?

You are new here aren't you chap?
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Old 29th Aug 2011, 17:37
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It's an absolute doddle - providing one has been correctly trained.

However, at night in thick cloud, I preferred all lights out.

Bread and butter stuff......!!
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As a personal preference, close formation in cloud is much better than loose formation. I liked the USN / Marine kind of close, especially on a dark, dark night in thick clag recovering into God's chosen fighter field (Leuchars).

Better is being 1 mile radar trail!

Best is watching some other poor sods doing it. It took me several years before I discovered an activity that puckered my ring piece quite as much. Happily, she got the message and buggered off with a ginger Scotsman. Saved me a fortune.

... aaannndd, relax.
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Old 29th Aug 2011, 18:06
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Does anybody remember that FTC flight safety magazine cartoon with a student doing his first formation exercise.

First picture; student goggle eyed and sweatng with the instructor telling him, "relax, relax."

Second picture; student relaxed and instructor wide eyed and sweating. "For Christ's sake tense up again."
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Yes, I do Fed - thanks for the chuckle.

We had a similar one on a crewroom wall at Cottesmore TTTE with a picture of a Tornado crew after their first night TFR sortie and the same after their 500th night TFR sortie.

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You bloody youngsters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some of were at this stuff in the sixties!!!!!!!!!!

We were also at a lot of other things..........
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which were covered by the 11th commandment, LM...

Thou shalt not....?
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"You can get more A-Level and formate two heavies at night in IMC for air-to-air refuelling."

I can vouch for that...32 mins in contact, tobogganing in turbulant IMC burning the VC10's fuel south of S Georgia on the way to S Sandwich.
Loosing visual with the tanker was not an option and at times all we saw was the hose dissapearing into the cloud- 3..2......1............ahh there she is
At least it was still daylight.

That was a great game of who needs the fuel most, lots of sharp pencilling by the navs as we were both on mins for the task. Evantually the 10 forced the disconnect by climbing away from us.
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