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Old 24th Aug 2011, 19:24
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Exascot cannot comment.

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I cannot comment because I was not on the aircraft.

What I can say is that I had known (and served with) the Aircraft Captain on different Units for over 25 years and I have also served with Exascot. I flew the same type of aircraft as the one in this accident during my 16 years as an Aircraft Captain flying VIP's in the RAF. I was lucky - I only had to cope with 3 to 5 Star Air Officers who wanted to fly the new aeroplane.
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Old 24th Aug 2011, 19:27
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Is the actual report available?
Aircraft Incident Report D/IFS(RAF)/140/22/94/1 referring to BAe 146 CCMk2 ZE700 on 29 June 1994 is classified 'Restricted'.
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Old 24th Aug 2011, 19:53
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>Aircraft Incident Report D/IFS(RAF)/140/22/94/1 referring to BAe 146 CCMk2 ZE700 on 29 June 1994 is classified 'Restricted'.<

Jim Hacker: This report is marked “confidential”.
Bernard: At least it wasn’t marked “restricted”.
Jim Hacker: Why?
Bernard: “Restricted” means it was in the papers yesterday. “Confidential” means it won’t be in the papers until today
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Old 24th Aug 2011, 20:11
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HRH's Day at Kinloss

In the early 70s, HRH came to Kinloss to get the Nimrod MR 1 in his
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In preparation for his flight, he spent a couple of hours in the flight simulator. The Console Operator was asked if he had planned a nice gentle sortie for the Prince. "Not at all", he replied. "In fact I've been instructed to treat him just like any Flight Lieutenant who is going to be King!
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Old 24th Aug 2011, 20:44
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In my mind, given how easy it would have been for them to sit back and live a life of luxury, to willingly step forward into some challenging environments is laudable and an example to many other countries leaders.
Absolutely... All the carpers and whiners in this thread need to remember he completed No. 1 PTS on the course before me. You can't fake that. I'll bet barely any, (probably none), of the complainers have or would complete the eight jumps required.
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Old 24th Aug 2011, 21:46
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The Captain who flew him on his Kinloss visit got a Xmas card from him. It was still on their mantlepeice the following October.
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Old 25th Aug 2011, 00:39
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"I am sure that the captain is following this thread but he can't defend himself here."

By the same token, in reality Prince Charles can't defend himself here either!
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All the carpers and whiners
Golly, the silence is absolutely deafening...
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Old 25th Aug 2011, 17:51
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Is it possible to defend the indefensible?
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Old 25th Aug 2011, 19:59
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I'll bet barely any, (probably none), of the complainers have or would complete the eight jumps required.
I thought he only did one jump? I heard it was considered too dangerous to do the last qualifying jump (night, full kit, continuous stick out of both side doors) so he was allowed to qualify after a single aircraft jump. I also heard he was excused milling on the grounds that it would be unfair on his opponent.

Whilst on the subject, does anybody know why Wills didn't get his para wings while he was on his army stint?
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Old 25th Aug 2011, 20:16
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Originally Posted by Trim Stab
Whilst on the subject, does anybody know why Wills didn't get his para wings while he was on his army stint?


They ran out of Corn Flake Boxes
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Old 25th Aug 2011, 20:26
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Compared to the 'middle brother', HRH POW looks almost reasonable !
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Old 25th Aug 2011, 20:44
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I thought he only did one jump?
While I don't have a source confirming completion of all eight jumps I was on the course after him and had he been given any quarter it would have been all over Brize. Also, reading around, the consensus seems to be that he completed Brize but didn't do P Coy. The "rumour" is that when he was made Commandant of the Parachute Regiment he couldn't wear the uniform and the beret and "look them in the eye" without having jumped.

Even if he only did one, he jumped and until someone has stood in the door of a big, smelly, noisy Fat Albert looking down at what appears to be a nice model going by below and leapt into the 120kt slipstream they can't say they would.
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Old 25th Aug 2011, 23:09
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they can't say they would.
No but they can admit they wouldn't. And I know I wouldn't put myself in that position.
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This thread - in common, it seems, with any other that mentions the Windsors - instantly divides otherwise fairly rational Ppruners into two groups of bickering children. On one side are the traitorous carpers and on the other the loyal cringers.

Carper or cringer, nobody has yet tried to excuse HRH's failure to speak up on behalf of the real officer he literally landed in the poo. Because there is no excuse and everyone knows it? Just a guess.

As I recall, the incident occurred on the day the PoW went on worldwide TV to admit adultery with the wife of a brother officer. Adds a whole new level of meaning to the concept of "self-authorising..."
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How do you know he didn't speak up for him?
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This thread - in common, it seems, with any other that mentions the Windsors - instantly divides otherwise fairly rational Ppruners into two groups of bickering children. On one side are the traitorous carpers and on the other the loyal cringers.
Whether you're a fan of PoW and his family or not, the fact that part of this discussion is revolving around whether he has the character to succeed his mother and whether his sons would be better as a future head of state, has one siginificant positive.

One fewer politician.
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Old 26th Aug 2011, 08:39
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How do you work that out?
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'Even if he only did one, he jumped and until someone has stood in the door of a big, smelly, noisy Fat Albert looking down at what appears to be a nice model going by below and leapt into the 120kt slipstream they can't say they would.'

...those words brought standing in the door right back...

AA is right in that HRH did not do P Coy (and rightly so) but does it matter?

He lobbed out of the side onto land and not out of the back onto water, survived and got the badge - he will own the Company one day!

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Old 26th Aug 2011, 21:44
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Whether you're a fan of PoW and his family or not, the fact that part of this discussion is revolving around whether he has the character to succeed his mother and whether his sons would be better as a future head of state
1. Servicemen don't have an option to be a 'fan', they have sworn a voluntary oath of loyalty to HMQ and all her successors.

2. Hands up all those here who consider themselves qualified to decide if the POW is suitable material for a King, or not?
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