Syria starts
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Syria starts
Not content with adding fuel on the Libyan fire it seems the US and Turkey want to add weapons on to the Syrian one and recruit Islamists to join in overthrowing Syrian Govt........................why does history keep writing itself again.
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» Evidence of U.S. Effort to Arm Syrian Opposition Emerges Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
PressTV - NATO plans to arm Syria criminal gangs
DEBKAfile, Political Analysis, Espionage, Terrorism, Security
A selection all giving same message and pretty much none of them allied together.
Course no doubt the payback will be Kurds in Turkey start getting supplied from elsewhere...............gotta wonder who in US administration is tripping on LSD.
PressTV - NATO plans to arm Syria criminal gangs
DEBKAfile, Political Analysis, Espionage, Terrorism, Security
A selection all giving same message and pretty much none of them allied together.
Course no doubt the payback will be Kurds in Turkey start getting supplied from elsewhere...............gotta wonder who in US administration is tripping on LSD.
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The source article for the first link uses as its primary source (for anything past the arrest of 3 men for arms-smuggling) an article by Sahand Avedis on World Socialist Web Site, which is a self-described Socialist news organization... the text of their article contains numerous references to "countering US Imperialism"... so that source has an emotional and political agenda which supports exaggerating and distorting "facts"... we actually see that the arms were supplied by Saudi interests, which the US has found are not as controllable by the US as many believe.
Lebanon intercepts covert arms shipments bound for Syria
That organization got its info from a Hezbollah-backed news organization (Al-Akhbar newspaper) and a Lebanese daily Al-Safir, which is close to Syria.
They both cite the Lebanese government, which (with the aid of Syria) overthrew the government of the alliance they are now accusing of participating in the arms-smuggling. Not a very objective source of info.
The second source article linked is Press TV, a 24-hour English language global news network. Its headquarters are located in Tehran, Iran. Iran supports Hezbollah and any anti-US effort. This article cites no sources at all, making it more an editorial of opinion than "hard news".
So the claim that "A selection all giving same message and pretty much none of them allied together." isn't quite accurate. There are distinct ties between all of those organizations and governments.
Debka.com, the source of the last article, has a history of trying to inflame the right-wing of Isreal into action, and is famous for exaggerated reports which cite no sources, but which mash second-hand info, rumors, and similar static into stories supporting its views... a report that the US & NATO were trying to undermine Syria would be fully in line with its bias, so its writers and editors would not reject such a gift due to unreliable sources.
Yedioth Ahronoth, an Israeli paper well-known to be open to a wide range of political views, says that Israeli intelligence officials do not consider even 10 percent of Debka.com's content to be reliable.
This reminds me of US politics, in which both the hard-left part of the Democratic Party and the hard-right of the Republican party have both (for opposing reasons) believed the same conspiracy rumors... which turned out to be false.
The first ones remind me of MoveOn.org, and the last of Rush Limbaugh.
Were arms being smuggled to the Syrian opposition? Absolutely!
Does the US and NATO support the Syrian opposition? Of course!
Would Turkey like to see the Shiite-based government of Syria fall in favor of the Sunni-majority? Sure.
Might either or both take steps to support and supply that opposition? Very possibly.
Are there unbiased and impartial sources supporting these claims of US/NATO support/control of the arms smuggling that are independent of these specific reports? Not that I have seen.
Lebanon intercepts covert arms shipments bound for Syria
That organization got its info from a Hezbollah-backed news organization (Al-Akhbar newspaper) and a Lebanese daily Al-Safir, which is close to Syria.
They both cite the Lebanese government, which (with the aid of Syria) overthrew the government of the alliance they are now accusing of participating in the arms-smuggling. Not a very objective source of info.
The second source article linked is Press TV, a 24-hour English language global news network. Its headquarters are located in Tehran, Iran. Iran supports Hezbollah and any anti-US effort. This article cites no sources at all, making it more an editorial of opinion than "hard news".
So the claim that "A selection all giving same message and pretty much none of them allied together." isn't quite accurate. There are distinct ties between all of those organizations and governments.
Debka.com, the source of the last article, has a history of trying to inflame the right-wing of Isreal into action, and is famous for exaggerated reports which cite no sources, but which mash second-hand info, rumors, and similar static into stories supporting its views... a report that the US & NATO were trying to undermine Syria would be fully in line with its bias, so its writers and editors would not reject such a gift due to unreliable sources.
Yedioth Ahronoth, an Israeli paper well-known to be open to a wide range of political views, says that Israeli intelligence officials do not consider even 10 percent of Debka.com's content to be reliable.
This reminds me of US politics, in which both the hard-left part of the Democratic Party and the hard-right of the Republican party have both (for opposing reasons) believed the same conspiracy rumors... which turned out to be false.
The first ones remind me of MoveOn.org, and the last of Rush Limbaugh.
Were arms being smuggled to the Syrian opposition? Absolutely!
Does the US and NATO support the Syrian opposition? Of course!
Would Turkey like to see the Shiite-based government of Syria fall in favor of the Sunni-majority? Sure.
Might either or both take steps to support and supply that opposition? Very possibly.
Are there unbiased and impartial sources supporting these claims of US/NATO support/control of the arms smuggling that are independent of these specific reports? Not that I have seen.
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Depends on who you consider to be "unbiased and impartial", really. It's easy enough to dismiss any reporting agency as biased after the fact, so perhaps a list of those you consider "unbiased and impartial" would help matters.
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Are there unbiased and impartial sources supporting these claims of US/NATO support/control of the arms smuggling that are independent of these specific reports? Not that I have seen.
Funny how US is supplying weapons to those who oppose secular dictatorships so they can be replaced with Islamic Govts...........again.
Wonder if they will ever stop bowing the knee to the Saudi's.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Looks like the fall of Tripoli/Ghaddafi has triggered a rising level of troop defections in Syria. The comment by the Turkish President is ominous.
Iran seems to be equally worried.
Iran seems to be equally worried.
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Early on in the Libyan crisis, Cameron said (quite rightly) words to the effect of "just because you don't have the resources to fight all problems, doesn't make it right to do nothing about anything"
Does that mean that the second Libya draws to a close, we'll be moving towards Akrotiri to start all over again?
Scenes from Team America - World Police spring to mind (F@*k yeah!).
Does that mean that the second Libya draws to a close, we'll be moving towards Akrotiri to start all over again?
Scenes from Team America - World Police spring to mind (F@*k yeah!).
Originally Posted by Recep Tayyip Erdogan[B
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'No place for autocratic regimes'
Meanwhile, Turkey, which has strong diplomatic ties with Syria, warned Damascus that "the only way out is to immediately silence arms and to listen to the people's demands".
"We have been watching the fate of those who didn't chose this path in the past few months in Tunisia, in Egypt - and now in Libya - as a warning and with sadness," Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in his monthly address aired on Turkish TV on Sunday.
"Demands for democracy and freedom are the people's just demands. In today's world, there is no place for one-man rule, for autocratic regimes and closed communities".
Rights groups say more than 2,200 people have been killed since the uprising began in March.
'No place for autocratic regimes'
Meanwhile, Turkey, which has strong diplomatic ties with Syria, warned Damascus that "the only way out is to immediately silence arms and to listen to the people's demands".
"We have been watching the fate of those who didn't chose this path in the past few months in Tunisia, in Egypt - and now in Libya - as a warning and with sadness," Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in his monthly address aired on Turkish TV on Sunday.
"Demands for democracy and freedom are the people's just demands. In today's world, there is no place for one-man rule, for autocratic regimes and closed communities".
Rights groups say more than 2,200 people have been killed since the uprising began in March.
Half a million died in America's Civil War ... and a bit more than that in Rwanda's recent bloodletting ...
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Love Turkey talking about listening to People's demands......................like how many Kurds have been killed in Turkey and the people removed from villages in its own form of ethnic cleansing.
Lets not mention Armenia in respect to Turkey.
Lets not mention Armenia in respect to Turkey.
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I don't think Iran is worried. I reckon they are behind a lot of these uprisings. For them to come out & say Syria should listen to its people, smacks of Islamic revolution...one that they would be more than happy with.
Just my 2 cents...
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You don't think Iran (or the Revolutionary Council) were worried when the protests occurred over the 2009 Presidential Election Results ?
The way it panned out, I think they were. They tried to solve it peacefully, then decided it wasn't going to happen so crushed it.
Just my HO.
You don't think Iran (or the Revolutionary Council) were worried when the protests occurred over the 2009 Presidential Election Results ?
The way it panned out, I think they were. They tried to solve it peacefully, then decided it wasn't going to happen so crushed it.
Just my HO.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
In Slap at Syria, Turkey Shelters Anti-Assad Fighters
ANTAKYA, Turkey — Once one of Syria’s closest allies, Turkey is hosting an armed opposition group waging an insurgency against the government of President Bashar al-Assad, providing shelter to the commander and dozens of members of the group, the Free Syrian Army, and allowing them to orchestrate attacks across the border from inside a camp guarded by the Turkish military.
The support for the insurgents comes amid a broader Turkish campaign to undermine Mr. Assad’s government. Turkey is expected to impose sanctions soon on Syria, and it has deepened its support for an umbrella political opposition group known as the Syrian National Council, which announced its formation in Istanbul. But its harboring of leaders in the Free Syrian Army, a militia composed of defectors from the Syrian armed forces, may be its most striking challenge so far to Damascus.
On Wednesday, the group, living in a heavily guarded refugee camp in Turkey, claimed responsibility for killing nine Syrian soldiers, including one uniformed officer, in an attack in restive central Syria.
Turkish officials describe their relationship with the group’s commander, Col. Riad al-As’aad, and the 60 to 70 members living in the “officers’ camp” as purely humanitarian. Turkey’s primary concern, the officials said, is for the physical safety of defectors. When asked specifically about allowing the group to organize military operations while under the protection of Turkey, a Foreign Ministry official said that their only concern was humanitarian protection and that they could not stop them from expressing their views.
“At the time all of these people escaped from Syria, we did not know who was who, it was not written on their heads ‘I am a soldier’ or ‘I am an opposition member,’ ” a Foreign Ministry spokesman said on the condition of anonymity in keeping with diplomatic protocol. “We are providing these people with temporary residence on humanitarian grounds, and that will continue.”
ANTAKYA, Turkey — Once one of Syria’s closest allies, Turkey is hosting an armed opposition group waging an insurgency against the government of President Bashar al-Assad, providing shelter to the commander and dozens of members of the group, the Free Syrian Army, and allowing them to orchestrate attacks across the border from inside a camp guarded by the Turkish military.
The support for the insurgents comes amid a broader Turkish campaign to undermine Mr. Assad’s government. Turkey is expected to impose sanctions soon on Syria, and it has deepened its support for an umbrella political opposition group known as the Syrian National Council, which announced its formation in Istanbul. But its harboring of leaders in the Free Syrian Army, a militia composed of defectors from the Syrian armed forces, may be its most striking challenge so far to Damascus.
On Wednesday, the group, living in a heavily guarded refugee camp in Turkey, claimed responsibility for killing nine Syrian soldiers, including one uniformed officer, in an attack in restive central Syria.
Turkish officials describe their relationship with the group’s commander, Col. Riad al-As’aad, and the 60 to 70 members living in the “officers’ camp” as purely humanitarian. Turkey’s primary concern, the officials said, is for the physical safety of defectors. When asked specifically about allowing the group to organize military operations while under the protection of Turkey, a Foreign Ministry official said that their only concern was humanitarian protection and that they could not stop them from expressing their views.
“At the time all of these people escaped from Syria, we did not know who was who, it was not written on their heads ‘I am a soldier’ or ‘I am an opposition member,’ ” a Foreign Ministry spokesman said on the condition of anonymity in keeping with diplomatic protocol. “We are providing these people with temporary residence on humanitarian grounds, and that will continue.”
If the Ba'ath party were to be toppled and Syria were to become truly democratic, it is likely that the populace would elect a far more rabidly anti-Israel government than the current regime.
I suspect Mossad are not too keen on this one...
I suspect Mossad are not too keen on this one...