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"This is an attack against Rhodesian dissidents!"
Hah!
That was an attack in defence of an abhorrent, unjust, illegal apartheid regime that was an international pariah.
Hah!
That was an attack in defence of an abhorrent, unjust, illegal apartheid regime that was an international pariah.
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@Pr00ne
Do you believe the current regime is better? From the apparent tone of your comment I must believe that you do. I really do hope I have misunderstood.
That was an attack in defence of an abhorrent, unjust, illegal apartheid regime that was an international pariah
Roland Pulfrew,
Nope.
hval,
No. I consider Mugabe to be equally, if not more as abhorrent as the previous regime. The fact that he is a corrupt evil despot does not in any way justify or condone the actions or policies of the previous illegal, racist, elitist abhorrent Government.
Nope.
hval,
No. I consider Mugabe to be equally, if not more as abhorrent as the previous regime. The fact that he is a corrupt evil despot does not in any way justify or condone the actions or policies of the previous illegal, racist, elitist abhorrent Government.
Except of course that the current
is definitely more racist, more elitist and more abhorrent. But it's OK because they all have the vote now - as long as you aren't murdered for voting for the wrong party.
racist, elitist abhorrent Government
Indeed Roly! The absurdity of NIBMAR and Wislon's attitude towards Southern Rhodesia was an utter scandal.
Once one of the richest nations in Africa, Southern Rhodesia has been ruined by stupid, anti-colonialist attitudes which encouraged greedy tribal despots to ruin the whole nation. Because bleeding heart liberal socialists
let them go ahead, worried more about how the world would view them, rather than whether the nation would ever see any benefit.
Once one of the richest nations in Africa, Southern Rhodesia has been ruined by stupid, anti-colonialist attitudes which encouraged greedy tribal despots to ruin the whole nation. Because bleeding heart liberal socialists
let them go ahead, worried more about how the world would view them, rather than whether the nation would ever see any benefit.
"Indeed Roly! The absurdity of NIBMAR and Wislon's attitude towards Southern Rhodesia was an utter scandal."
Oh come on! The utter scandal was the elitist white minority rule in a land that enabled a small white minority to grow enormously wealthy on tobacco cultivation whilst denying even the most basic democratic rights to the vast majority of the population merely because of the colour of their skin.
It has undoubtedly been ruined, that is so true, but it was the ludicrous UDI and racist policies that created the vacuum that allowed Mugabe to do what he has done.
Oh come on! The utter scandal was the elitist white minority rule in a land that enabled a small white minority to grow enormously wealthy on tobacco cultivation whilst denying even the most basic democratic rights to the vast majority of the population merely because of the colour of their skin.
It has undoubtedly been ruined, that is so true, but it was the ludicrous UDI and racist policies that created the vacuum that allowed Mugabe to do what he has done.
Judging from the riots in London recently....perhaps it is time for the Black population there to overthrow White Rule in Blighty....dragging innocent citizens from a car and shooting them dead and all. Least ways that is the way it is being sold to masses! After all they have been kept from assimilating the culture by means of denying them employment, housing, education and probably the vote as well. Why else would there be such unrest in the ghettos?
SASless,
Drop your racist nonsense!
There's all colours and creeds out on the streets of London, not just black folk. Sorry to disappoint.
Oh, and from the initial reports on Thursday nights shooting, it seems the only people shooting people in cars are the Met Police!
Drop your racist nonsense!
There's all colours and creeds out on the streets of London, not just black folk. Sorry to disappoint.
Oh, and from the initial reports on Thursday nights shooting, it seems the only people shooting people in cars are the Met Police!
Gosh Proone (I spelled yer name right but pprune here does not like that spelling for some reason...and I cannot edit my post to make it right).....I wuz standing up for the poor oppressed folk as you were....how does that make me racist? You accused Whites in Rhodesia of being racist...now me...are you the only non-racist in your view?
The utter scandal was the elitist white minority rule in a land that enabled a small white minority to grow enormously wealthy on tobacco cultivation whilst denying even the most basic democratic rights to the vast majority of the population merely because of the colour of their skin.
BEagle,
Read your history and drop this pathetic defence of the indefencible.
"Everyone' benefited? Yeah right...
Read your history and drop this pathetic defence of the indefencible.
"Everyone' benefited? Yeah right...
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All,
Pr00ne does have a point. Every human has a right to democracy, irrespective of race, colour or creed.
Unfortunately I suspect Pr00ne has never been to Africa, where the country is full of greedy, mass murdering persons. Pr00ne, I lived and worked all over Africa, in small teams. I saw hell on earth. All of it caused by black Africans. Historically, black Africans have caused each other much harm, even worse than anything white Europeans ever did.
It was always obvious what Mugabe and his cronies were going to do. The previous white government did not kill the hundreds of thousands/ millions that Mugabe has. The whites did not destroy the economy of Rhodesia; but Mugabe has managed to destroy the economy of Zimbabwe. Mugabe, backed by Liberal British are responsible for incredible numbers of deaths and suffering.
Pr00ne does have a point. Every human has a right to democracy, irrespective of race, colour or creed.
Unfortunately I suspect Pr00ne has never been to Africa, where the country is full of greedy, mass murdering persons. Pr00ne, I lived and worked all over Africa, in small teams. I saw hell on earth. All of it caused by black Africans. Historically, black Africans have caused each other much harm, even worse than anything white Europeans ever did.
It was always obvious what Mugabe and his cronies were going to do. The previous white government did not kill the hundreds of thousands/ millions that Mugabe has. The whites did not destroy the economy of Rhodesia; but Mugabe has managed to destroy the economy of Zimbabwe. Mugabe, backed by Liberal British are responsible for incredible numbers of deaths and suffering.
hval, how right you are. But such truths won't change the Utopian beliefs of champagne socialists.
The UK's shameful complicity in letting Mugabe and his thugs destroy Southern Rhodesia is an utter disgrace.
The UK's shameful complicity in letting Mugabe and his thugs destroy Southern Rhodesia is an utter disgrace.
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"Every human has a right to democracy, irrespective of race, colour or creed."
Democracy is very much a European construct which never evolved anywhere else in the world. For most of teh globe the standard political system is a form of dictatorship, either on a local tribal scale, or on a national (racial) scale.
Individual "rights" didn't exist as a concept in most places: you were simply a cog in the wheel of the system. Democracy as a concept is alien to most parts of the world
All the white Rhodesians did was apply the existing tribal ruling systems to the benefit of the white tribes over the rest. Now you have Mugabe's boys doing the same for THEIR own benefit. However Mugabe & Co don't have the ability to make it work. They're too thick, too bigoted, and too opposed to the non-Mugabe supporting tribes
Democracy is very much a European construct which never evolved anywhere else in the world. For most of teh globe the standard political system is a form of dictatorship, either on a local tribal scale, or on a national (racial) scale.
Individual "rights" didn't exist as a concept in most places: you were simply a cog in the wheel of the system. Democracy as a concept is alien to most parts of the world
All the white Rhodesians did was apply the existing tribal ruling systems to the benefit of the white tribes over the rest. Now you have Mugabe's boys doing the same for THEIR own benefit. However Mugabe & Co don't have the ability to make it work. They're too thick, too bigoted, and too opposed to the non-Mugabe supporting tribes
All the white Rhodesians did was apply the existing tribal ruling systems to the benefit of the white tribes over the rest. Now you have Mugabe's boys doing the same for THEIR own benefit. However Mugabe & Co don't have the ability to make it work. They're too thick, too bigoted, and too opposed to the non-Mugabe supporting tribes
It would be hard for them not to want to control the situation in Zimbabwe until a few more people had adapted to modern life and by that I don't just mean education but all other practices which are a function of how your parents and family lived. You are only going to have dictators and peasants if you don't manage to build a big middle class.
There had to be a crossing point and it happened although probably much too early because the place wasn't ready to deal with a guy like Mugabe - not enough people living in towns (where opposition started), not enough people with an interest in stability.
My British history isn't all that great but I doubt this country sprang into existence fully formed. In fact I seem to remember that at one point only land owners could vote and before that were Kings and I think what's left out is that maybe Kings happen because people are generally poor and unorganised rather than the other way around. i.e. you can't have a democracy in a land of subsistence farmers.
Hence I think the white Rhodesians (of which I am the younger offspring) were rather like the Romans in Britain. Zimbabwe's legal system is based on Roman Dutch law - quite interesting how this virus gets transmitted to one bunch of barbarians who wise up and transmit it onwards.
The left believed Mugabe was good and for them to pretend now that they didn't is very two faced. The cry that Rhodesians were bad too seems particularly pathetic to me. Rhodesians did what they could with the situation including stopping the Ndebele from terrorising Mr Mugabe's Shona and I am going to choose to believe that because of them and their fight to delay Mugabe, there is still hope for my home.
Finally, thanks for posting the Green Leader link.
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So, is the sale a direct result of the sad loss a year or so back? Did the company have their license taken away, or has it simply lapsed?
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So, is the sale a direct result of the sad loss a year or so back? Did the company have their license taken away, or has it simply lapsed?