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Her Majesty The Queen's Diamond Jubilee Medal

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Old 29th Jun 2011, 17:11
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Each medal is apparently costing just over £13 plus vat !
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The last diamond jubilee was Queen Victoria's, in 1897. On that occasion the medal was only issued to around 980 army officers (not the navy, apparently)
And why not RAF officers either?
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And why not RAF officers either?
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You ruined it tmobile! I could've had him...
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Old 29th Jun 2011, 17:45
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Know your Wah rules

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You cannot Wah on a question!!
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The last diamond jubilee was Queen Victoria's, in 1897. On that occasion the medal was only issued to around 980 army officers (not the navy, apparently).
At least two exceptions come to light after a quick Google, probably owing to the existence of the Naval Brigades:
...He was promoted to Lieutenant on 27 July 1887. While as a Brigade Major to the Naval Brigade in London, he participated in the occasion of Queen Victoria's Diamond Jubilee in 1897, for which he received the Queen Victoria Diamond Jubilee Medal...
  • Victoria Cross
  • Knight Grand Cross, Order of the Bath ( GCB )
  • Baltic Medal ( 1854-55 )
  • Indian Mutiny Medal ( 1857-58 )
    • 2 clasps:
    • "Relief of Lucknow" - "Lucknow"
  • Queen Victoria Diamond Jubilee Medal ( 1897 )
  • King Edward VII Coronation Medal ( 1902 )
  • King George V Coronation Medal ( 1911 )
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Old 29th Jun 2011, 22:08
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Old Duffer et al - ref GW1

11 August 1990: First British aircraft arrive in Saudi Arabia. No 5 (Composite) Squadron arrives at Dhahran from Akrotiri, Cyprus, led by Wg Cdr Euan Black and comprising six Tornado F3s of No 5 Squadron and six of No 29. A further ten Tornados left on Cyprus, where units had been based for armament practice. No 6 (Composite) Squadron led by Wg Cdr Jerry Connolly, with 12 Jaguar GR1As, including four in reconnaissance configuration, leaves Coltishall for Thumrait, Oman, arriving on 12 August. Aircraft have been painted in Pink Panther desert camouflage scheme. No 20 Squadron, RAF Regiment, leaves for Cyprus with Rapier air defence missiles. Later transfers to Bahrain.
I know, I was on the Armament Practise Camp on 2 Aug 90 when Saddam invaded Kuwait - his intended next stop was parts of Saudi. The US aircraft, UK F3s/Jags and what was left of the Saudi Air Force (a lot had gone home to protect their families from the real threat of invasion) detered Saddam long enough for Desert Shield to grow in size prior to Desert Storm.

The BAE constructed F3 was in a pitiful state at this point in Aug 90 (quelle surprise!). No chaff/flares or Self Protection Jammer, the long awaited boost-sustain Skyflash was still not ready and the RADAR would be lucky to get a lock to support the boost-only Skyflash to target (until it was modified later). The guys that flew the aircraft in those tense early weeks from Saudi knew this, but they put themselves up there against the as yet unbroken Iraqi Air Force - for this they deserve the GW1 gong with rosette alone! In fact, at that point, the F3 was the Boulton-Paul Defiant equivalent of the jet age!

The F3 was the first British jet in place for Desert Shield in 1990 and went on to fly Desert Storm in 1991. It was modified quickly for 1991 but by then it had been relegated to "back-stop" CAP as it did not have a Self Protection Jammer (SPJ) and the risk of loss to SAMs over Iraq was far too great. It did not get a working SPJ until 5 years later for use in the Balkans; yet another great bit of procurement with a working system delivered nearly 10 years after In Service Date in 1986...

Anyway, I hope that educates everyone in the year that the F3 went out of Service after 25 years.

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Old 29th Jun 2011, 22:51
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Thanks for the correction on RN officers getting the 1897 medal, FODPlod. I see that Admiral Salmon was a VC recipient. The practice of awarding coronation and jubilee medals to all surviving holders of the VC (and GC I believe) whether serving or retired continues to this day.
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Old 30th Jun 2011, 07:38
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The F3 was the first British jet in place for Desert Shield in 1990 and went on to fly Desert Storm in 1991. It was modified quickly for 1991 but by then it had been relegated to "back-stop" CAP as it did not have a Self Protection Jammer (SPJ) and the risk of loss to SAMs over Iraq was far too great.
Even the tanker aircraft got much closer to the action than any F3! It isn't about who was first to arrive in the desert - it is what you did whilst you were there.

Iraqi F1s outran the F3 at medium altitude on the one occasion the F3s attempted an intercept. Back-stop indeed! Lol!
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Old 30th Jun 2011, 08:25
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I was told at the time that the RAF actually wanted to send its last F-4s to the Gulf, but commercial pressure from 't Bungling Baron and DESO's gun-runners (who were concerned that an F-4 deployment might harm the Tornado ADV's export potential) held sway.

Never mind what's best for the job - we can't have that interfering with our export sales, can we?

As for gongs, I never did understand why we were given a couple of medals, then told we weren't allowed to wear them. I understand that a few folk ignored the rule and wore them anyway - just as the Americans were permitted to do.
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Sorry to be a killjoy, but what happens if said Queen departs the fix before 12 Feb 2012.........

Possibly a bit premature ?
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If it's before 6 Feb 12 then I guess that the medals could be recast as coronation medals.

If it's between 7 and 12 Feb 12 then I guess we would get the medal and could also get a coronation medal.

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Bit of a spotter question - but what's the diameter of this medal? Is it, err, Queen-sized like the QGJM?
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Sorry to be a killjoy, but what happens if said Queen departs the fix before 12 Feb 2012...
What? Is even Aunty Betty thinking of PVR-ing?
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"What? Is even Aunty Betty thinking of PVR-ing? "

Sure is, they extended her retirement date until 108 years old and halved the pension she'll get when she retires.
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Bit of a spotter question - but what's the diameter of this medal? Is it, err, Queen-sized like the QGJM?
Spotter question deserves a proper answer! (makes a change from all those silly Wah posts anyway )

Since 1911 all coronation and jubilee medals have been a standard 32mm in diameter. Campaign medals (GSM, South Atlantic, Gulf, Iraq etc) are a standard 36mm. Would therefore be a fair bet that the 2012 medal will be 32mm.

If HM died shortly before her Diamond Jubilee it's doubtful if the coronation would take place before 2013, and no reason to expect that the same qualifying service would apply - might be more sparingly issued, like the 1953 medal.
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TTN - thanks for a sensible answer. Now I know!

Unfortunately for me, paid service will finished in Jan 12, so I guess I'll miss out. Or I'll buy one from some hard-up squaddie on or about the 13th Feb next year.

A former colleague of mine was a mad keen medallist and when some of the Falklands War ships visited Auckland in early 1983, he waited at the gang plank of one of the RFAs asking if anyone would sell their medal. 30 minutes later and about $30 lighter he had his medal, but I suspect that he also was asked what other services he did for money.....l
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If the Iraqi F1s ran away faster then surely the F3s did their job - they chased them away!?!

BEagle

Yes, the other 2 gongs were the height of "bling". Also, the Non-Article 5 medal from Afghanistan has a nasty glittery band on it . Maybe the uniform committee have a thing against bling?

At least the QDJM is not some God awful shade of gold that has all the class of a spray tan!

Yes, you are right, it was all about defence sales and never about capability. The F4s had just left AKR about 4 weeks earlier in Jul 90. Entryism, just like taking Typhoon to Libya and making it drop bombs guided by Tornado buddy-lazing...

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Re post 57 ...............sparseness of Coronation Medals. At the time of the Coronation, if my memory serves me rightly, three medals were issued on our Station - one to the Station Commander, one to the WRAF "G" and the other to the Accounts SNCO. Those on the parade received none.
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The F3 was the first British jet in place for Desert Shield in 1990
No it bloody wasn't! The first jets were already in Theatre - Nimrods on Op MAGIC ROUNDABOUT.

Or were Nimrods not jets?
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