WHO HAS An ATPL
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My guess is that 'somebody' has realised that those with a license and some initiative/common sense are going to get out before the 18 month/0% flying pay PVR time. Its alright we've got plenty of pilots in training......!
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Me - Ive got one - and in response to a few other threads - I'm going at an option thank heavens, and there isn't enough money in the MOD coffers to tempt me to stay.
I think the purpose of the trawl was twofold - find those who can leave and those who may be tempted by the 330 slot. It has been obvious for at least a few years that we are going down the route of requiring an ATPL in order to operate the 330.
Good luck to the shed-loads who have bitten the bullet and are doing their exams shortly.
I think the purpose of the trawl was twofold - find those who can leave and those who may be tempted by the 330 slot. It has been obvious for at least a few years that we are going down the route of requiring an ATPL in order to operate the 330.
Good luck to the shed-loads who have bitten the bullet and are doing their exams shortly.
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The question everyone needs to ask themselves is "Do I have an ATPL?" and if the answer is "no", then now is the time to do something about it!
In these uncertain times a green or blue licence is a sound, essential investment.
As far as a trawl from manning canvassing who does or who does not indeed hold an ATPL, if the speculation is that Voyager crews will need them then this just goes to show that regardless of your experience, or lack of, a licence is a must. How many newly qualified QSPs will have costly licences? It is surely about time that all AFTs (multis or helos) licence their students by running accredited courses.
DSAT or accreditation?, hmmm
In these uncertain times a green or blue licence is a sound, essential investment.
As far as a trawl from manning canvassing who does or who does not indeed hold an ATPL, if the speculation is that Voyager crews will need them then this just goes to show that regardless of your experience, or lack of, a licence is a must. How many newly qualified QSPs will have costly licences? It is surely about time that all AFTs (multis or helos) licence their students by running accredited courses.
DSAT or accreditation?, hmmm
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Why would an RAF pilot need a civil licence to fly the A330 Tanker?. It will be dual CAA/ Military Serial , as are the King Air and Grob, which are flown by RAF crews without civil licences.
Upcoming EASA FCL does not appear to cater for military crews flying an EASA registered aircraft without an EASA licence . Perhaps a problem after 2012 for MOD.
Upcoming EASA FCL does not appear to cater for military crews flying an EASA registered aircraft without an EASA licence . Perhaps a problem after 2012 for MOD.
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Dear Manning,
Whilst you may be enquiring who has an APTL in the multi's world for a variety of reasons, I think you'll have a shock when you discover how many FJ guys have or are doing their ATPLs for just one reason. I can only imagine the feeling of enough is enough is even stronger in the Rotary and Multi's worlds.
Face facts - you blew it. Oh and by the way 12 months now without Flying Pay on PVR
a nice touch. Sod it why not just make it the full 18 months and see if that has the desired retention implications 
after all you are the experts.
Whilst you may be enquiring who has an APTL in the multi's world for a variety of reasons, I think you'll have a shock when you discover how many FJ guys have or are doing their ATPLs for just one reason. I can only imagine the feeling of enough is enough is even stronger in the Rotary and Multi's worlds.
Face facts - you blew it. Oh and by the way 12 months now without Flying Pay on PVR
a nice touch. Sod it why not just make it the full 18 months and see if that has the desired retention implications after all you are the experts.
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Whilst you may be enquiring who has an APTL in the multi's world for a variety of reasons, I think you'll have a shock when you discover how many FJ guys have or are doing their ATPLs for just one reason. I can only imagine the feeling of enough is enough is even stronger in the Rotary and Multi's worlds.
Sadly no 330's but we do have: 744,772,773,A318/19/20/21,737 with A380, 787 and, rumour control has it, 748 on the way.
Best move I ever made.
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Air Asia are recruiting enough pilots this year to absorb the entire multi's steam of both captains and co's and still have enough space for the entire FJ force.
PS.
I forgot to mention they're planning to recruit at that level for the next 5 years!
PPS. They also like ex RAF types.
PPPS. Rumour has it they are putting together a 'deal' for Air Force chaps/chapesses that will take into account the pension sacrifice and provide how shall we say- a better first year bonus than Xmas day OO. Oh and they don't do 6month OOAs to the Stan.
PS.
I forgot to mention they're planning to recruit at that level for the next 5 years!
PPS. They also like ex RAF types.
PPPS. Rumour has it they are putting together a 'deal' for Air Force chaps/chapesses that will take into account the pension sacrifice and provide how shall we say- a better first year bonus than Xmas day OO. Oh and they don't do 6month OOAs to the Stan.
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I do, sadly my 4800 FJ and QFI hours will only get me a CPL JAR Licence when I convert from my CAA ATPL. Still it is now fully ready, with medical and brand new MEIR, just lurking now with everyone else ready for the stampede. Shame really, I used to be proud to be a military pilot, my career aspirations now are "retirement"
...and the LAE rates are about 10-15K short too - plus not messing with guns or gates, etc.
But I think "they" are likely to fill those gaps with "pressed" men - keen for a quick Licence path and to suffer a couple of years being messed about before they pull the black & yellow.
...Welcome to the Voyager...and the Departure Lounge.
But I think "they" are likely to fill those gaps with "pressed" men - keen for a quick Licence path and to suffer a couple of years being messed about before they pull the black & yellow.
...Welcome to the Voyager...and the Departure Lounge.
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Unfortunately BAs Managed Path is not open to anyone who is leaving at anything other than a recognised option point. If you PVR you are not eligible, and MoD/BA are playing very rigid with this.
To my reckoning that also excludes all PAS/FTC(A) by definition.
To my reckoning that also excludes all PAS/FTC(A) by definition.
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Unfortunately BAs Managed Path is not open to anyone who is leaving at anything other than a recognised option point. If you PVR you are not eligible, and MoD/BA are playing very rigid with this.
To my reckoning that also excludes all PAS/FTC(A) by definition.
To my reckoning that also excludes all PAS/FTC(A) by definition.
Unfortunately you are quite correct and the RAFCARS scheme, as was, is a little rigid.
However, the light at the end of the tunnel is that the next recruiting phase (read - ongoing) will include non type rated and military pilots from day one. The only dispensation you gain anyway is that you can access the BA recruitment website without needing to enter your licence number. The rest of the process is identical.
For future reference BA is a very friendly place for ex-mil and alot of the flight crew are ex-mil. For me it was like going back to a Squadron reunion!!
Keep an eye on the BA site and I will post updates when and if I get them.
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Sadly no 330's but we do have: 744,772,773,A318/19/20/21,737 with A380, 787 and, rumour control has it, 748 on the way.
Lovely aeroplane. Glad it's to be resurrected.
