Dambusters movie; they are changing the dog's name
. Maybe we should call him 'Whitey' to redress the PC balance?
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So if they make a remake of the dropping of the bombs on Japan,
are they going to change the name of Tibbet's plane from "Enola Gay"
to "Enola Bay" even though the reason for it being "Gay" has nothing
to do with batting for the other side ?
God help this world with it's PC focus.
I think a heap more would exist like that as well.
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are they going to change the name of Tibbet's plane from "Enola Gay"
to "Enola Bay" even though the reason for it being "Gay" has nothing
to do with batting for the other side ?
God help this world with it's PC focus.
I think a heap more would exist like that as well.
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500N, you've missed the point. The Enola Gay will now be painted beautiful rainbow colours and the bombardier and rear gunner will be having a relationship, thus earning the name of the aircraft.
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"500N, you've missed the point. The Enola Gay will now be painted beautiful rainbow colours and the bombardier and rear gunner will be having a relationship, thus earning the name of the aircraft."
So that means the aircraft got two bangs from the one trip ?
MG
My apologise, I stand corrected.
Pandering to the minority to make sure they are not left out.
You are obviously much more in tune with the way these things work
So that means the aircraft got two bangs from the one trip ?
MG
My apologise, I stand corrected.
Pandering to the minority to make sure they are not left out.
You are obviously much more in tune with the way these things work
Like a lot of people I have mixed feelings about Gibson. Undoubtedly he was a brilliant pilot who led one of the most audacious and skilful operations of the war. On the other hand there is a strong body of opinion from those who were around at the time that he was an arrogant, short-arsed little martinet (remind you of any other WW2 RAF heroes btw?). These people often come to the fore in times of war, and we can be admire and be grateful to them, without actually liking them.
That said, there should be no difficulty finding an unpleasant, arrogant sod to play him - the film world is awash with them.
That said, there should be no difficulty finding an unpleasant, arrogant sod to play him - the film world is awash with them.
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"Like a lot of people I have mixed feelings about Gibson. Undoubtedly he was a brilliant pilot who led one of the most audacious and skilful operations of the war. On the other hand there is a strong body of opinion from those who were around at the time that he was an arrogant, short-arsed little martinet (remind you of any other WW2 RAF heroes btw?). These people often come to the fore in times of war, and we can be admire and be grateful to them, without actually liking them."
Tanker
Yes, and in times of war, it is people like this that do come to the fore and get the mission completed, which is after all the name of the game. That is, unless we pander to every left wing hippy / gay rights et al who thinks it is all a popularity contest.
Thank god we had more than a few of them around that time is all I can say.
MG
LOL - Never wanted to do it, would probably do me some good but I am afraid never been one to pander to that sort of thinking.
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Tanker
Yes, and in times of war, it is people like this that do come to the fore and get the mission completed, which is after all the name of the game. That is, unless we pander to every left wing hippy / gay rights et al who thinks it is all a popularity contest.
Thank god we had more than a few of them around that time is all I can say.
MG
LOL - Never wanted to do it, would probably do me some good but I am afraid never been one to pander to that sort of thinking.
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'Tis a difficult one. I wonder how many authors of the 'Get over it' type posts above are Black. Not one I will guess.................
We can't change history and should not apologise for what our forefathers did or said 50+ years ago and more, but I tend to agree with Mr Fry. Why not re - write that part of the script? Simples. The Dams still got busted.
Having said that, I understand a lot of these new fangled moving pictures are awfully aggressive, full of Mofo's and everything.
Keep it gangsta.
TN
We can't change history and should not apologise for what our forefathers did or said 50+ years ago and more, but I tend to agree with Mr Fry. Why not re - write that part of the script? Simples. The Dams still got busted.
Having said that, I understand a lot of these new fangled moving pictures are awfully aggressive, full of Mofo's and everything.
Keep it gangsta.
TN
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N****r is to become Digger!!!!
Is this the PC way of calling a spade a spade?
Is this the PC way of calling a spade a spade?
Very witty, good one
It's so nice to see how this ridiculous PC crap has been viewed - or it proves we're just a bunch of old farts.
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A (duration-only) Wing Commander at the age of 24. Was given the job of making Barnes Wallis's brainchild come to fruition. An arrogant little fu*k he may have been, but as far as I'm concerned, he's a bona fide war hero.
Victoria Crosses are not, and never have been, dished out with the cornflakes.
He'll do for me, and it severely pains me that things can't be depicted as they occurred. There's still a couple of Lancasters about. Scampton's still substantially the same, and black Labradors won't be hard to come by. Might have an issue finding enough airmen to be extras though
I accept that things can't be as they should be, but that doesn't make it right.
Victoria Crosses are not, and never have been, dished out with the cornflakes.
He'll do for me, and it severely pains me that things can't be depicted as they occurred. There's still a couple of Lancasters about. Scampton's still substantially the same, and black Labradors won't be hard to come by. Might have an issue finding enough airmen to be extras though
I accept that things can't be as they should be, but that doesn't make it right.
That is, unless we pander to every left wing hippy / gay rights et al who thinks it is all a popularity contest.
. I think I made the point that you are making, however, but I still maintain that it is possible to admire and dislike someone at the same time.Incidentally another famous Lancaster VC, and Gibson's successor on 617, Leonard Cheshire, was as temperamentally different to Gibson as you can imagine, yet displayed courage and leadership in equal measure, achieving the almost unheard of tally of 102 operations. Yet it is as much for his post war humanitarian works, including setting up the Leonard Cheshire foundation, as his wartime exploits, that he is now remembered.
Undoubtedly he was a brilliant pilot who led one of the most audacious and skilful operations of the war. On the other hand there is a strong body of opinion from those who were around at the time that he was an arrogant, short-arsed little martinet
At least he knew how to get the job done....
and had the skills to pay the bills to boot...
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Bit of a side track, but,
Dutch school children are taught, (and it becomes a matter of great pride to them), to tend the graves of allied servicemen in Holland.
and are beautifully tended; almost a shrine, in fact.
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"however, but I still maintain that it is possible to admire and dislike someone at the same time."
I Agree.
"Victoria Crosses are not, and never have been, dished out with the cornflakes."
I think the lot says it better.
VC, DSO & Bar, DFC & Bar
All those naysayers of Gibson, it would be interesting to know which one's over the years had gone through what he had gone through and been able to say "been there, done that" to be able to criticiZe him. Enough said.
As flighthappens said, "he got the job done".
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"however, but I still maintain that it is possible to admire and dislike someone at the same time."
I Agree.
"Victoria Crosses are not, and never have been, dished out with the cornflakes."
I think the lot says it better.
VC, DSO & Bar, DFC & Bar
All those naysayers of Gibson, it would be interesting to know which one's over the years had gone through what he had gone through and been able to say "been there, done that" to be able to criticiZe him. Enough said.
As flighthappens said, "he got the job done".
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I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for the film
The IMDB database has no record of it - yet it does for other Peter Jackson films which are still "in production" e.g. the pair of "Hobbit films
see Peter Jackson - IMDb
Load of journalistic hot air over something that may never happen
The IMDB database has no record of it - yet it does for other Peter Jackson films which are still "in production" e.g. the pair of "Hobbit films
see Peter Jackson - IMDb
Load of journalistic hot air over something that may never happen
Just for the record, I once made a flight from East Anglia (not Lincs, but close) to Paderborn, then travelled by road to the Mohne dam. Having seen the location at first hand, as an ex nav, in my humble opinion the dams raid was probably one of the most outstanding air operations of the war, and I hold all of those who took part in total awe, including Guy Gibson.
Doesn't invalidate my other remarks which merely repeat what some who actually served with him have said on record.
Shame that the film may not yet happen, would be worth a watch whatever they call the flipping dog!
Doesn't invalidate my other remarks which merely repeat what some who actually served with him have said on record.
Shame that the film may not yet happen, would be worth a watch whatever they call the flipping dog!
You cant change history. Not liking it in the past is what helps stop us repeating it in the future.
If we make a film of an historical event, that film should be as accurate as possible portraying things as they were, not changing things because we now don't like them. We remind our selves of the Holocaust so it can never happen again. I never liked the old "Hairy Mary" battle dress uniform, so lets not dress anybody in them in the film, but put them in the much more comfortable Polly-Cotton ones of today. Wouldn't want to offend anybody who was forced to ware one back then by showing them being worn in todays film!
Is it a big thing? No. Is it important? YES! Turn a blind eye to the little things today and one day, its a very big thing we are asked to turn our backs on.
To my mind it come down to that nasty little word - INTEGRITY Its very rare in the world today, and one of the reasons I come here to Jet Blast and PPRuNe!
Wish I could have a black Labrador. Would I call it "Nigger"? Probably not, even thought theres no Wogs to offend round here!
"Dutch school children are taught, (and it becomes a matter of great pride to them), to tend the graves of allied servicemen in Holland".
Parabellum thanks for that information. I find it rather heat warming in this nasty little world of ours.
If we make a film of an historical event, that film should be as accurate as possible portraying things as they were, not changing things because we now don't like them. We remind our selves of the Holocaust so it can never happen again. I never liked the old "Hairy Mary" battle dress uniform, so lets not dress anybody in them in the film, but put them in the much more comfortable Polly-Cotton ones of today. Wouldn't want to offend anybody who was forced to ware one back then by showing them being worn in todays film!
Is it a big thing? No. Is it important? YES! Turn a blind eye to the little things today and one day, its a very big thing we are asked to turn our backs on.
To my mind it come down to that nasty little word - INTEGRITY Its very rare in the world today, and one of the reasons I come here to Jet Blast and PPRuNe!
Wish I could have a black Labrador. Would I call it "Nigger"? Probably not, even thought theres no Wogs to offend round here!
"Dutch school children are taught, (and it becomes a matter of great pride to them), to tend the graves of allied servicemen in Holland".
Parabellum thanks for that information. I find it rather heat warming in this nasty little world of ours.
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for the film
The IMDB database has no record of it - yet it does for other Peter Jackson films which are still "in production" e.g. the pair of "Hobbit films
see Peter Jackson - IMDb
Load of journalistic hot air over something that may never happen
The IMDB database has no record of it - yet it does for other Peter Jackson films which are still "in production" e.g. the pair of "Hobbit films
see Peter Jackson - IMDb
Load of journalistic hot air over something that may never happen
The dog's grave was outside the Bulldog Sqn's crewroom when Scampton was the home of CFS. My course were standing outside looking at it when our Kenyan student mentioned that perhpas he shouldn't go to the bar that evening. He would be in his room studying as the penalties for failing the course seemed a bit severe!