No. 10 Sqn to be reformed
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No. 10 Sqn to be reformed
"Are you a real Sqn Ldr or just a VC10 captain?" 
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Sounds like a really cheap meat product........... just about right then.
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The one that used to be called LSS........ remember that? the real workhorse of the VC10 none tanker fleet.
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I was at the ceremony in College Hall yesterday. Low key, but moving to see a standard I had carried on parade in 1962! That said somebody told me that they are replaced every 25 years, an expense that will soon go out of the window, I should think
The standards of 13, 14 and 214 Squadrons were laid up and that of 10 squadron was brought out, reconsecrated and handed back to the Squadron
13 will come back to life sometime, flying UAVs and based elsewhere in Lincolnshire, this thread discusses 10 Sqn and I heard nothing of the future of 14 and 214 Squadrons.
The standards of 13, 14 and 214 Squadrons were laid up and that of 10 squadron was brought out, reconsecrated and handed back to the Squadron
13 will come back to life sometime, flying UAVs and based elsewhere in Lincolnshire, this thread discusses 10 Sqn and I heard nothing of the future of 14 and 214 Squadrons.
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Ah, I remember marching off the 10 Sqn standard on the waterfront, then laying it up at Cranditz not too long ago. Phil '3 engine shutdown' King sliced his ear open with his bayonet on the first drill movement.
It went to the 'It'll be coming back out again soon' storage location of Minstrels' Gallery in CHOM, and it will be good to see it back.
At least the standard doesn't have the 'randomly twirling eagle' atop the staff that 101's standard has!
It went to the 'It'll be coming back out again soon' storage location of Minstrels' Gallery in CHOM, and it will be good to see it back.
At least the standard doesn't have the 'randomly twirling eagle' atop the staff that 101's standard has!
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I may not have helped the 'twirling eagle' situation by marching the standard into a low-hanging tree on one occasion...Now lets just hope that aeroplanes materialise on time unlike the many people that got posted to a flying tour on 5 before the Sentinel was actually online...
After all we did prove that he probe & drogue system worked satisfactorily, and introduce it into the RAF.
A KC135 could use its boom to inject fuel into a B47 or a B52 at 8-10,000lbs/min. A Vulcan or Victor would receive from a Valiant , initialy, about 4,000 lbs/min. To pick up a reasonable amount of fuel he had to fly a close formation for eight of nine minutes with very little room for error. Your B52 man could mosey up to the tanker, watch the operater fire the boom into his aircarft and fly a casual samewaysameday for three or four minutes and it was all over.
When I did my initial tanker course at Marham in 1962 they already had the training boards for the VC10 tanker version. It did not happen then, but it should have happened before the Valiants folded in 1965.
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Whilst you are correct in stating that 214 Sqn used the Mk6 flat fronted probe nozzle in the early days of the trial it was what Flight Refuelling Ltd gave them. The Mk8 bullet nozzle came in 62 if I remember correctly and was indeed an improvement.
The KC135 may have been able to transfer 8,000 lbs/min at the start of a refuel but as with any transfer the rate drops off as the aircraft fills up so that the advantage to the receiver is reduced. I think your casual samewaysameday three or four minutes is debatable. One also has to consider the danger of overpressurising tanks with such a high rate in our delicate bombers of the day. One even had to be careful with the Vulcan during Corporate. .The hose attached to a boom has never been an ideal situation. The HDU was at that time still, as you will remember,a rather raw piece of kit and required considerable thought to bring it to the state it is as still in use today, thanks to the pioneering work by the squadron.
When I did my initial tanker course at Marham in 1961 the VC10 was already being mentioned as a replacement refueller but I had to wait till 1984 to get my hands on one although 101 got them a little earlier.
Whilst you are correct in stating that 214 Sqn used the Mk6 flat fronted probe nozzle in the early days of the trial it was what Flight Refuelling Ltd gave them. The Mk8 bullet nozzle came in 62 if I remember correctly and was indeed an improvement.
The KC135 may have been able to transfer 8,000 lbs/min at the start of a refuel but as with any transfer the rate drops off as the aircraft fills up so that the advantage to the receiver is reduced. I think your casual samewaysameday three or four minutes is debatable. One also has to consider the danger of overpressurising tanks with such a high rate in our delicate bombers of the day. One even had to be careful with the Vulcan during Corporate. .The hose attached to a boom has never been an ideal situation. The HDU was at that time still, as you will remember,a rather raw piece of kit and required considerable thought to bring it to the state it is as still in use today, thanks to the pioneering work by the squadron.
When I did my initial tanker course at Marham in 1961 the VC10 was already being mentioned as a replacement refueller but I had to wait till 1984 to get my hands on one although 101 got them a little earlier.
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This is all good historic stuff..hope the RAF Museum has got it too! My query re the 214 laid up post was that I was not aware 214 was at all still active in any guise...thought it demised when the Victor K1s went out...216 is of course the TriStar Sqn.....so fascinated why the 214 Sqn standard is being mentioned in The Rotunda context at all? 
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Sideburns
I hope the new boss cares as much for his new Sqn as he did for jumping on people for the lenght of their sideburns
plus I hope he has had a personality implant at last
plus I hope he has had a personality implant at last
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Maybe it was 206? Certainly of the 3 other recent ex Nimrod Sqns, I gather 42's has gone to Cornwall, 201's to Guernsey, and that leaves 120 & 206s presumably for the Rotunda. All very sad..along with all the other Standards moving in to the Rotunda....the carpet will be in perpetual shadow these days!
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Ahh! Nutloose. When we were posted to 10 sqn from LSS nothing seemed to change initailly. There was always the the 'other side of the car park' feeling but after a few Bahrain detachments the sqn feeling seemed to take affect. I am one of the few left that can still remember the 19 & M and 'Please visit Joanna's and please be over 21' days, (remember the advert')? (ground crew).
I work with some of the 101 groundcrew now up here in the sticks but none of them remember the Dulles 19th & G sports bar, Florida 2000, Fleetwoods and the Fishmarket, (still remember the game of spoof with oysters and clams and the clam chouder).
Here's hoping the tradition continues!
I work with some of the 101 groundcrew now up here in the sticks but none of them remember the Dulles 19th & G sports bar, Florida 2000, Fleetwoods and the Fishmarket, (still remember the game of spoof with oysters and clams and the clam chouder).
Here's hoping the tradition continues!
Maybe it was 206? Certainly of the 3 other recent ex Nimrod Sqns, I gather 42's has gone to Cornwall, 201's to Guernsey, and that leaves 120 & 206s presumably for the Rotunda.
42's standard is being lodged in the Rotunda along with 120's. 201's standard is being lodged in Guernsey. Smart move by 201 as if they are ever reformed the Sqn will have to go on one of their jollies to Guernsey to get their standard back.
Sorry slightly off topic. Well done Dan for getting 10.
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Ahh! Nutloose. When we were posted to 10 sqn from LSS nothing seemed to change initailly. There was always the the 'other side of the car park' feeling but after a few Bahrain detachments the sqn feeling seemed to take affect. I am one of the few left that can still remember the 19 & M and 'Please visit Joanna's and please be over 21' days, (remember the advert')? (ground crew).
I work with some of the 101 groundcrew now up here in the sticks but none of them remember the Dulles 19th & G sports bar, Florida 2000, Fleetwoods and the Fishmarket, (still remember the game of spoof with oysters and clams and the clam chouder).
Here's hoping the tradition continues
I work with some of the 101 groundcrew now up here in the sticks but none of them remember the Dulles 19th & G sports bar, Florida 2000, Fleetwoods and the Fishmarket, (still remember the game of spoof with oysters and clams and the clam chouder).
Here's hoping the tradition continues
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