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"no they weren't, that distinction went to a large 4 engined aircraft from Wyton (at the time)''
Not forgetting the four engined aircraft that were there to refuel them!
Not forgetting the four engined aircraft that were there to refuel them!
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You point the finger of scorn at the Canberra for target towing. But you forget that was one use of some aircraft for a period of its overall life. The final Canberras in service were the mighty PR9s which continued their quality recce function on ops until about 5 years ago.
And it had a fair performance - London Mil to to Marham callsign in the climb for the Westcott corridor "Can you make FL235 in the next 10 miles or will you take an orbit?" Response from PR9 "my dear we're not a Tornado..."
Embarrassed? Not a word of it. I was proud to have done my stint in my cupboard as a PR9 front seater.
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You point the finger of scorn at the Canberra for target towing. But you forget that was one use of some aircraft for a period of its overall life. The final Canberras in service were the mighty PR9s which continued their quality recce function on ops until about 5 years ago.
And it had a fair performance - London Mil to to Marham callsign in the climb for the Westcott corridor "Can you make FL235 in the next 10 miles or will you take an orbit?" Response from PR9 "my dear we're not a Tornado..."
Embarrassed? Not a word of it. I was proud to have done my stint in my cupboard as a PR9 front seater.
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Canberra is still in service, in one guise or another...
General Dynamics WB-57 "Canberra" 63-13298 - N928NA "NASA 928" | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
wonderful beast, Canberra with 2 U-2 engines.
General Dynamics WB-57 "Canberra" 63-13298 - N928NA "NASA 928" | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
wonderful beast, Canberra with 2 U-2 engines.
Re Canberra roles.
Well aware of the many faces of the Canberra; recce is respectable and low level strike in Germany would have been a fine role, but I was too young for that... No offence intended for those who flew it other than for target tow.
Glad I flew something where, when Manchester Control wants to know your climb heading to FL330 out of Warton, you can request "vertical".
Well aware of the many faces of the Canberra; recce is respectable and low level strike in Germany would have been a fine role, but I was too young for that... No offence intended for those who flew it other than for target tow.
Glad I flew something where, when Manchester Control wants to know your climb heading to FL330 out of Warton, you can request "vertical".
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JP 3 
I didn't mind the JP 5, what with its electric canopy an' all but the 3 was a piece of crap that I thoroughly disliked and was embarrassed to be seen in. It didn't help being on Linton's 2 Sqn at the time with a knob of a Boss, sharing equal knobottity with my Flt Commander. Fortunately the Senior Service 'jumped' ahead so 3 Sqn and the JP 5 managed to drastically reduce the embarrassment factor
I didn't mind the JP 5, what with its electric canopy an' all but the 3 was a piece of crap that I thoroughly disliked and was embarrassed to be seen in. It didn't help being on Linton's 2 Sqn at the time with a knob of a Boss, sharing equal knobottity with my Flt Commander. Fortunately the Senior Service 'jumped' ahead so 3 Sqn and the JP 5 managed to drastically reduce the embarrassment factor
any aircraft where flying that does not count towards an ATPL.
any aircraft in which you can't have a cup of tea.
any aircraft that needs a gpu
any aircraft that cannot go vertical
any aircraft in which you can't have a cup of tea.
any aircraft that needs a gpu
any aircraft that cannot go vertical
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Does this one count LM??
... and unless the cloud horizon is most unusual, your Frightnin' ain't vertical!
... and unless the cloud horizon is most unusual, your Frightnin' ain't vertical!
Sure does count mate.
The Frightning was doing a lazy loop at the time, and the mate taking the pic from the two-seater was just a tad too late.
Still, a loop occupying 25,000 ft still says performance, whichever way you look at it.
Got a mate here at work who flew Gazelles - he liked it.
LM
The Frightning was doing a lazy loop at the time, and the mate taking the pic from the two-seater was just a tad too late.
Still, a loop occupying 25,000 ft still says performance, whichever way you look at it.
Got a mate here at work who flew Gazelles - he liked it.
LM
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Got a photograph on my wall here that shows a Shawbury Gazelle in a similar attitude but at 30ft AGL.
Lightnings have achieved similar attitudes at that level, as proved by the famous photo of George Aird and the Fordson Major driver.
Difference is the Gazelle could do it more than once.
Lightnings have achieved similar attitudes at that level, as proved by the famous photo of George Aird and the Fordson Major driver.
Difference is the Gazelle could do it more than once.
Got a photograph on my wall here that shows a Shawbury Gazelle in a similar attitude but at 30ft AGL.
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Don't bother - stood next to me is a man with 5000 hours on Gazelles who is #####ng himself with laughter!
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LM
I will get a copy of the aforesaid photograph from the original photographer Ian Forshaw and post it on here with his permission.
There is, I admit, an element of camera trickery involved which makes the aircraft seem in a vertical attitude but in reality is not more than 45 degrees. Your tame Gazelle jockey can probably make a judgment as to what angle can be achieved from a backward transition recovery.
Dak
I will get a copy of the aforesaid photograph from the original photographer Ian Forshaw and post it on here with his permission.
There is, I admit, an element of camera trickery involved which makes the aircraft seem in a vertical attitude but in reality is not more than 45 degrees. Your tame Gazelle jockey can probably make a judgment as to what angle can be achieved from a backward transition recovery.
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=858_1202863592
Ignore the Puma stuff, but this is proper whistling chicken leg low level, not that nancy boy fixed wing "low" plus a bit of vertical thrown in.
Ignore the Puma stuff, but this is proper whistling chicken leg low level, not that nancy boy fixed wing "low" plus a bit of vertical thrown in.
Avoid imitations
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There is, I admit, an element of camera trickery involved which makes the aircraft seem in a vertical attitude but in reality is not more than 45 degrees. Your tame Gazelle jockey can probably make a judgment as to what angle can be achieved from a backward transition recovery.
The Puma will also do a 270 degree roll while vertically nose down from 400ft agl and zero airspeed. The Gazelle will do a full 360 roll from about the same height because it doesn't have a restricted lateral cyclic travel. However, if you get it wrong in a Puma the tail rotor can do something it really shouldn't and get seriously damaged (I believe later displays were toned down quite a bit).
P.s. btw, 90 degrees nose up isn't really too difficult in many helicopters. But please don't try this at home.
