Bin Laden Dead
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An outstanding waaaaaaah 
Now that this particular head has been lopped from the hydra, it's maybe a good time for the Obama administration to pressure the Israelis and Palestinians into meaningful negotiations, the Saudis into some social changes and take away a few reasons for Bin Laden to be replaced by even more misguided youth.
I hope we don't over-celebrate this victory, there's still Zawarhiri and the real operational commanders to be given the same treatment. Meantime I hope their figurehead is enjoying his 72 virgins (and that they're all named 'Big Vince').
Now that this particular head has been lopped from the hydra, it's maybe a good time for the Obama administration to pressure the Israelis and Palestinians into meaningful negotiations, the Saudis into some social changes and take away a few reasons for Bin Laden to be replaced by even more misguided youth.
I hope we don't over-celebrate this victory, there's still Zawarhiri and the real operational commanders to be given the same treatment. Meantime I hope their figurehead is enjoying his 72 virgins (and that they're all named 'Big Vince').
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Previous champion Osama Bin Laden, 2001 - 2011
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Previous champion Osama Bin Laden, 2001 - 2011
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I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy.
Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars.
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Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.
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Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that.
Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.
Martin Luther King Jr.
Anyone have any insight on the aircraft used in the operation? I am assuming they would be PaveHawks? There was footage of what looked like a Sentinel Drone circling overhead. But the stabilator on the wreckage of the chopper in some of the photos looked different to a Blackhawk...
Drone? Drone...doesn't sound particularly military. Perhaps, Steak Tartar, you mean a Remotely Piloted Air Vehicle or an Unmanned Air Vehicle/System?
Do keep up. Drone is so, well, medja-like and common.
Do keep up. Drone is so, well, medja-like and common.
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Question for the experienced
40 minutes on the ground + flight time in and out of Pakistan air space
and the Pakistan Military couldn't scramble jets in time.
Is this slack, normal, expected ?
And if they had got jets in the air, would the US have engaged them ?
40 minutes on the ground + flight time in and out of Pakistan air space
and the Pakistan Military couldn't scramble jets in time.
Is this slack, normal, expected ?
And if they had got jets in the air, would the US have engaged them ?
I assume the Pakistani Air Defence system relies on ground based radar. In that case a couple of non squawking helicopters would be very difficult to detect. Especially if you are looking further afield and do not (in a million years) expect that kind of attack.
The jets were probably scrambled after word came through of an attack in progress, rather than radar hits. This would be nothing more than an escalation of alert states in case this signalled the start of someting bigger.
As to being engaged by US jets. Bringing down a Pakistani jet over it's own sovereign territory woud have opened up a whole can of worms. That said, I doubt the Americans would be bothered when you consider the prize.
IMHO
The jets were probably scrambled after word came through of an attack in progress, rather than radar hits. This would be nothing more than an escalation of alert states in case this signalled the start of someting bigger.
As to being engaged by US jets. Bringing down a Pakistani jet over it's own sovereign territory woud have opened up a whole can of worms. That said, I doubt the Americans would be bothered when you consider the prize.
IMHO
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500N,
The Pakistani's couldn't detect a 6'4" Arab living in a £1 million 'mansion' a few hundred yards from one of their military colleges - I think a handful of blacked out choppers would be well beyond them...
The Pakistani's couldn't detect a 6'4" Arab living in a £1 million 'mansion' a few hundred yards from one of their military colleges - I think a handful of blacked out choppers would be well beyond them...
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Whoa whoa whoa. You mean those arrows on the G Maps weren't there before?
Anyway, here are some interesting pics...Obama Monitors bin Laden Mission from Situation Room - TIME
Anyway, here are some interesting pics...Obama Monitors bin Laden Mission from Situation Room - TIME
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"The Pakistani's couldn't detect a 6'4" Arab living in a £1 million 'mansion' a few hundred yards from one of their military colleges - I think a handful of blacked out choppers would be well beyond them..."
Yes, LOL.
I read some comments from locals who loved nearby, they had "wondered" who was living there !
Yes, LOL.
I read some comments from locals who loved nearby, they had "wondered" who was living there !
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As my previous post (and all others) has been cited as a 'gotcha', can I just say that when HJ mentions post 85, he is only quoting one individuals opinion.
For my own part, much if not all of post 85 can be shown to be inaccurate in history, even if I do broadly agree with the sentiment.
The part which comes across as really silly to me is that we have a poster who may have flown combat missions to kill other folks he had never met, and would never know, purely based on political ideology and markings painted on the side of an aircraft or vehicle! To then scoff at others joy/happyness, who may know someone near and dear to them who were murdered in OBL's name, comes across as a bit hypocritical to me.
Did I hate anyone I killed...No. It was my job and I did it, and I guess the same goes for many others on this MILITARY aviation site.
No offence to any particular poster(s) intended.
For my own part, much if not all of post 85 can be shown to be inaccurate in history, even if I do broadly agree with the sentiment.
The part which comes across as really silly to me is that we have a poster who may have flown combat missions to kill other folks he had never met, and would never know, purely based on political ideology and markings painted on the side of an aircraft or vehicle! To then scoff at others joy/happyness, who may know someone near and dear to them who were murdered in OBL's name, comes across as a bit hypocritical to me.
Did I hate anyone I killed...No. It was my job and I did it, and I guess the same goes for many others on this MILITARY aviation site.
No offence to any particular poster(s) intended.
