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Old 11th Mar 2011, 19:00
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hink that you'll find that we decided to retire the R1 on 31 March 2011 well before this government got into power. For once we can't blame SDSR for this hole.

At least there is a replacement inbound which will probably arrive on time, cost what we agreed to pay for it and do what any other RJ does.
I believe the original OSD was 2012 and there was a briefing where people were told that it was agreed to be extended to 2016. One month later the same person briefed that the OSD was now 2011.

Rumour has it the decision to retire the R1 on that date was due to an offer that was made along the lines of "well if you retire it then you could use the money you save by not having to support it to get the RJs delivered a bit earlier". Pure speculation of course.

As to 'delivering to cost' I'm sure they included the cost of infrastructure changes to Waddington when they considered the deal. ....
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Old 13th Mar 2011, 14:10
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Before I continue, I'm not after any information considered sensitive by anyone about the R1...I'm just curious about the history of the fleets.

However, given that the R1 spent most of its time in service alongside the MR2 I wondered how much engineering and contractor support from the MR2's operations was shared by the R1 fleet? Was airframe servicing done by a common pool of engineers etc? Were Nimrod airmframe operations considered totally different or were the R1s a "mini-fleet" within the MR2 world?

I guess that leads to my second question about how similar, or different, were the two airframes? I'm not talking about what's inside, just the structures. I know some of the R1s were built as R1s whereas the Nimrods were Comets first etc. Were they radically different when it came to their structures?
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Old 13th Mar 2011, 14:24
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The R1's were converted MR's... To the best of my knowledge

Same engines, very similar fuel/hydraulics etc.

As for servicing, I wonder if the R1's are covered for maintainence for these 3 months and dont require any 'expected' work.
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Old 13th Mar 2011, 15:02
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Thanks for the answers so far, I'm guessing the R1's bomb bay doesn't open either?
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Old 13th Mar 2011, 17:16
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Same engines
no they're not. MR - Spey 250. R1 - Spey 251
Funny how engines were packed up at Kinloss to be sent to Waddington since they weren't needed at ISK anymore...

The bomb bay doesn't open, its full of "gubbins"... Which is of course the technical term.
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Old 13th Mar 2011, 22:32
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Mr Womble

"I know some of the R1s were built as R1s whereas the Nimrods were Comets first etc."
The Nimrods were never Comets (apart from the 2? prototypes). The fuselages were built at Broughton and trucked over to Woodford for assembly as Nimrods.
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