Military // Prison Officers!
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drifting...........
Gruadain editoryal tooday...
Back to thread: have the "Army" not done this before, when Aunty's Dens of Correction were full to bursting? ISTR places like Beckingham, Westdown Camp, Knook, and others such places being pressed into service as temporary nicks and being staffed by military type police, PTI's and other such applicable spare bods.
The absurdities of English spelling are familiar enough. Or shud that be enuff? Most of us admit we are embarrassed when we spell it embarassed and know that we are pompous about acommodating other people's erors. A poll for the English spelling society, which would like the rules relaxed at least to admit alternatives, found most people were irritated to read misspelled words, even in the informality of the internet. This is a mystery. It is our language and we can spell it how we want. Texters happily use abbreviations and phonetics. In the 19th century the admirable American lexicographer Noah Webster just rewrote the rules. He said he wanted to rescue the native tongue from the clamour of pedantry (he blamed the English aristocracy) which is why plough is plow, centre is center and colour became color. Irregular spelling, it is claimed, contributes to the high level of illiteracy in the UK, while phonetic languages like Italian and, apparently, Finnish not only have no problem with dyslexia, they don't even have a word for it. In Cloud Atlas, David Mitchell develops an entirely plausible form of spelling some future version of English. The critics claim that it would mean different spellings in Newcastle and Bristol. But go to India or Africa and it is clear the Anglophone world is already divided not only by pronunciation but by usage. In an increasingly homogenous world, the moment has come to step back where we can from uniformity and let in variety and simplicity.
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Back to thread: have the "Army" not done this before, when Aunty's Dens of Correction were full to bursting? ISTR places like Beckingham, Westdown Camp, Knook, and others such places being pressed into service as temporary nicks and being staffed by military type police, PTI's and other such applicable spare bods.
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Radar101,
Thanks for that. I was at Cranditz 81-83ish and I'm sure that some of the PTI's went off down the Newark road to Beckingham to help out for a few days. That's why I put "Army" in quotes. Thanks again...
Thanks for that. I was at Cranditz 81-83ish and I'm sure that some of the PTI's went off down the Newark road to Beckingham to help out for a few days. That's why I put "Army" in quotes. Thanks again...
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I prefer to think that a scab provides excellent pretection and healing qualities by preventing a build up of puss and corruption within a wound...
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Union fury as Ken Clarke privatises Birmingham Prison
Mr Clarke told MPs the "military are involved" in contingency plans should Prison Officers stage a strike.
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This is lunacy, plain and simple.
Fighting fires is one thing; coming face to face with the hardcore criminal/lowlife elements of society is quite another. The prison officer job is a specialist one requiring a mindset that will be quite alien to most in the military. The only time the military bumps against these elements of a society is when they are war with them and they see them at the end of a barrel of a gun.
Many moons ago I lived with a female CID officer. She was always disparaging about the Military Police..."who'd want to police a disciplined, highly ordered, law abiding section of society, what's the point?"
Her comments resonate now. This is not work for the military...if needs must, get the police to do it. Pull them off traffic duties for a month or so....there will be more than enough.
Fighting fires is one thing; coming face to face with the hardcore criminal/lowlife elements of society is quite another. The prison officer job is a specialist one requiring a mindset that will be quite alien to most in the military. The only time the military bumps against these elements of a society is when they are war with them and they see them at the end of a barrel of a gun.
Many moons ago I lived with a female CID officer. She was always disparaging about the Military Police..."who'd want to police a disciplined, highly ordered, law abiding section of society, what's the point?"
Her comments resonate now. This is not work for the military...if needs must, get the police to do it. Pull them off traffic duties for a month or so....there will be more than enough.
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I was being a touch sarcastic...I guess everyone has manning issues. Just grips my **** that you can't move for traffic cops where I live.
Cancel the Olympics, Royal Wedding and all football matches. That should free up plenty of the old bill.
Cancel the Olympics, Royal Wedding and all football matches. That should free up plenty of the old bill.
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So, Mods, why is it ok to have a whole thread about the ARMY manning prisons during prison officer strikes, yet when we try to discuss CAS in a flying suit, the thread gets deleted?
Your inconsistency is hard to fathom at times - surely this topic belongs on ARRSE?
Your inconsistency is hard to fathom at times - surely this topic belongs on ARRSE?
why is it ok to have a whole thread about the ARMY manning prisons
Not sure why you presume only Army chaps will be called upon (although my unit relies on Army chaps to get the flying job done too).
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I think you will find the Police have a manning issue what with having to cut front-line officers!
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I was told at 14 that I could not enter the RAF because I was a foreigner! Back in 1968. Just so happened that my Dad brought my Mom home from WW2. As did many others from all the Allies.
Well, my (Polish soldier) Dad came to England via Dunkirk in 1940, married a local girl (my Mum) in 1944 and remained in this country after the war. He didn't take out UK citizenship. Yet I was still able to join up as an RAF Apprentice in 1961 at age 16.
True I had to jump through hoops first though - do you remember the Form Ident 177? And throughout my 22 years service I still had to go for the occasional interview by the SIB, usually before a posting.
I'm sorry you were not able to enlist and can only assume it may be because you were still in contact with relatives in the old country at the time.
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Well, my (Polish soldier) Dad came to England via Dunkirk in 1940, married a local girl (my Mum) in 1944 and remained in this country after the war. He didn't take out UK citizenship. Yet I was still able to join up as an RAF Apprentice in 1961 at age 16.
True I had to jump through hoops first though - do you remember the Form Ident 177? And throughout my 22 years service I still had to go for the occasional interview by the SIB, usually before a posting.
I'm sorry you were not able to enlist and can only assume it may be because you were still in contact with relatives in the old country at the time.
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BBC are reporting that the Prison Officers Association are to ballot Prison Officers in respect of "industrial action" over the privatisation of Jails. Although Prison Officers are banned from going on strike the ballot will seek members views about " industrial action up to and including strike action."
