IIP BINNED, sorry is anyone surprised?
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Mrs T always ensured that a "Thank You" letter was sent to the Captain of the Crews that flew her. I also recall a memorable Cocktail Party at No 10 that she hosted to thank all those who were involved in the Tasking and conduct of her Flights.
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IiP is dead, long live IiP
IiP binned? My arse.
These things have a shelf life. They function to provide non jobs and backhanders to Quangos, Directorships, etc
But at some stage during their lifespan, the ability to fleece the customer diminishes, and the project is allowed to wilt, allowing the chance for a new initiative!
IiP is being replaced, and so the cycle continues.
(Its the same with your iPhone/IT system/TV system/etc)
These things have a shelf life. They function to provide non jobs and backhanders to Quangos, Directorships, etc
But at some stage during their lifespan, the ability to fleece the customer diminishes, and the project is allowed to wilt, allowing the chance for a new initiative!
IiP is being replaced, and so the cycle continues.
(Its the same with your iPhone/IT system/TV system/etc)
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Coal dug by 7 year olds in Brazil is no doubt cheaper, as are clothes made by 5 year old Indonesian kids.
The North made Britain great, the south dismantled it & p1ssed it all up the wall. This is where the paper economy burns in front of your face.
I would personally deliver thatcher to Satan, if the chance ever arose.
What has the south ever offered that is actually tangible??? like the people, it's just plastic.
The North made Britain great, the south dismantled it & p1ssed it all up the wall. This is where the paper economy burns in front of your face.
I would personally deliver thatcher to Satan, if the chance ever arose.
What has the south ever offered that is actually tangible??? like the people, it's just plastic.
Hmmm, chips on both shoulders. Why don't you stick them to one side and take the whippet for a walk.
Either way, this is an aviation forum. If you can't get over the miners strike 27 years on, then go moan about it somewhere else.
Either way, this is an aviation forum. If you can't get over the miners strike 27 years on, then go moan about it somewhere else.
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RANT MODE SELECTED. Before joining the RAF I had the misfortune to be a policeman on the front line during the miner's strike, and for quite a while was at Bilsthorpe Colliery - a pit that wasn't on strike but was being targeted by flying pickets. My recollection of talking to those miners at Bilsthorpe was that the strike was politically motivated to topple the Government of the day - a Government that had been ELECTED by the people of this country. It had little, or nothing to do with coal and the closing of mines that were no longer producing coal economically. The so called pickets were, for the most part, hired thugs whose weapons of choice were platic bags filled with paint stripper and apples and potatoes with sharpened 6" nails through them or razor blades embedded in them; they were used to roll under the police horses - such nice people. I was also at Orgreave Coke works on that infamous day when Scargill told the world that he had been assaulted by the police. Trust me, he wasn't; I was within 10' of him and, if I could have got closer, he would have been! So, guess where I'd rather live, a country run by Mrs T (who was by no means perfect), or one run by Scargill and his ilk (and I include Blair and Brown) - the "something for nothing" merchants.SORRY, RANT MODE OFF!
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What has the south ever offered that is actually tangible??? like the people, it's just plastic.
A quick flick through Pious Pilots posts revealed he [or she] doesn't like:
Southerners
Labour
Tories
Mrs Thatcher
Mr Blair
Mr Brown
French
Wars in Iraq/Afghanistan
Anyone who disagrees with him
The list goes on and on. In some ways its almost heartening that people like him still exist. I thought PC etc had killed off all the radicals, but at least one, sad, bigoted, miserable, unhappy, vengeful and generally blackhearted northerner still sits in the corner of the pub drinking mild in his underpants and throwing wee at anyone originating South of Harrogate.
Southerners
Labour
Tories
Mrs Thatcher
Mr Blair
Mr Brown
French
Wars in Iraq/Afghanistan
Anyone who disagrees with him
The list goes on and on. In some ways its almost heartening that people like him still exist. I thought PC etc had killed off all the radicals, but at least one, sad, bigoted, miserable, unhappy, vengeful and generally blackhearted northerner still sits in the corner of the pub drinking mild in his underpants and throwing wee at anyone originating South of Harrogate.
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Then there was the Mrs Thatcher that, having spent multi-millions on building Mt Pleasant, couldn't work out why the boys and girls were still getting free food and accommodation. So the word went out that those charges should be imposed.
"Get farked" said we at MOD. So I arranged a tri service team to take a senior treasury guy down there to have a look for themselves. Cue lots of bags of mouldy vegetables, tales of delays to the shipping schedules, crappy accommodation (Onion Range springs to mind) etc etc etc.
The result? A lovely report written, backed by senior treasury, a quick meeting with Maggie who wasn't going to take any bull, and the decision was overturned.
Lesson learnt? She was never to be bullsh*tted 'cos that would never work and you could be at the receiving end of the famous handbag for your troubles. Tell it like it is with enough supporting evidence and she was on your side for life.
"Get farked" said we at MOD. So I arranged a tri service team to take a senior treasury guy down there to have a look for themselves. Cue lots of bags of mouldy vegetables, tales of delays to the shipping schedules, crappy accommodation (Onion Range springs to mind) etc etc etc.
The result? A lovely report written, backed by senior treasury, a quick meeting with Maggie who wasn't going to take any bull, and the decision was overturned.
Lesson learnt? She was never to be bullsh*tted 'cos that would never work and you could be at the receiving end of the famous handbag for your troubles. Tell it like it is with enough supporting evidence and she was on your side for life.
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South of Harrogate
But I note that his location is Lancashire which explains all....as we say in Wensleydale, "Two things come from the west. Bad weather and Lancastrians".
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Back to IIP. Not sure what all the fuss is about. Certainly as far as the RN was concerned, almost all of the requirements of IIP had been met since Nelson was a boy. It was an easy exercise for each unit to be accredited - a short visit from some guy and stick up a blue plaque. Being recognised as an investor in people is something to be proud of. No?
Anyone who thinks that the Forces don't deserve such an accreditation is living in a dreamworld. Civvy Street doesn't even begin to live up to the level of support that uniformed service people receive.
Anyone who thinks that the Forces don't deserve such an accreditation is living in a dreamworld. Civvy Street doesn't even begin to live up to the level of support that uniformed service people receive.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
D O G, quite agree, it is the bull**** quotient that required the Services to demonstrate that it could jump through hoops.
Maybe the MOD should introduce its own excellence scheme to which commercial organisations aspire - like all these boot camp programmes and fitness gurus.
On second thoughts, after SDSR and this months fiasco, perhaps not.
Maybe the MOD should introduce its own excellence scheme to which commercial organisations aspire - like all these boot camp programmes and fitness gurus.
On second thoughts, after SDSR and this months fiasco, perhaps not.
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A large base on which I served decided to apply for the IiP award. I cost a fortune financially and the amount of work heaped on individuals was enormous. We were doing it all anyway, it was just the sheer weight of admin and paperwork that took the time.
All to get a cheap plastic plaque to hang in SHQ and the clearance to print the "IiP" logo on Station letterhead.
When the appropriate ceremonials were done, the whole thing was quietly forgotten and the pretty folders and photographs relegated to the end of the station presentation for visitors. We carried on working as we always had done, having yet again proved to the civi world that the Britmil knew how to look after their people. Once again, a small civi organisation trousers a wadge of cash to sell their pretty badge. Once again, it benefitted absolutely no one, because what we were doing was better than offered.
Just another fad in the "management speak" stakes...
All to get a cheap plastic plaque to hang in SHQ and the clearance to print the "IiP" logo on Station letterhead.
When the appropriate ceremonials were done, the whole thing was quietly forgotten and the pretty folders and photographs relegated to the end of the station presentation for visitors. We carried on working as we always had done, having yet again proved to the civi world that the Britmil knew how to look after their people. Once again, a small civi organisation trousers a wadge of cash to sell their pretty badge. Once again, it benefitted absolutely no one, because what we were doing was better than offered.
Just another fad in the "management speak" stakes...
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IiP binned? My arse.
These things have a shelf life. They function to provide non jobs and backhanders to Quangos, Directorships, etc
But at some stage during their lifespan, the ability to fleece the customer diminishes, and the project is allowed to wilt, allowing the chance for a new initiative!
IiP is being replaced, and so the cycle continues.
These things have a shelf life. They function to provide non jobs and backhanders to Quangos, Directorships, etc
But at some stage during their lifespan, the ability to fleece the customer diminishes, and the project is allowed to wilt, allowing the chance for a new initiative!
IiP is being replaced, and so the cycle continues.
I remember very well the introduction of IIP all those years ago and I have to say I seem to remember that it was truly embraced by just about every commissioned officer I knew (junior aircrew excluded) and totally despised by just about every SNCO I knew (Just like every other “initiative” we had thrust upon us).
It is warming to see so many comments here, critical of an energy & effort draining, complete waste of money and tick in the box exercise such as IIP.
But just how many people here were really honestly and openly critical of it when it was first introduced? I’ll bet I could guess!!
Sadly, how much more time, energy, effort, MONEY!!!!, will be wasted on new initiatives in the future as “the cycle continues”. A lot more I feel, as those in charge try to make their mark, to show how important they are, in the “rebuilding of a broken Air Force”.
And will those new initiatives be criticised by anybody (other than grumpy old, negative SNCOs), I doubt it.
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I had the 'honour' to be responsible for the presentation of a rather large station to IiP. Staish, properly, was uber cynical, sqn cdrs, properly couldnt give a toss and majority of personnel were disinterested.
I promised to reduce effort to minimum and attempted to show how existing systems met standards. No new forms, processes or procedures. We passed, got the blue plaque and a picture in the RAF News.
Impact on station - recognition that existing practises were above civ standard, no more work for execs and 6 months of my life that could not be replaced.
Impact on IiP - recognition that we the MOD were keen for their benevolence and sanction.
Am I glad its binned - yes - and if you could see my Dii account you would recognise my 2*s astonishment at how happy I was.
Hope this contributes
I promised to reduce effort to minimum and attempted to show how existing systems met standards. No new forms, processes or procedures. We passed, got the blue plaque and a picture in the RAF News.
Impact on station - recognition that existing practises were above civ standard, no more work for execs and 6 months of my life that could not be replaced.
Impact on IiP - recognition that we the MOD were keen for their benevolence and sanction.
Am I glad its binned - yes - and if you could see my Dii account you would recognise my 2*s astonishment at how happy I was.
Hope this contributes
I would describe senior officers that publicly don't give a toss about something they've been ordered to do, as pretty poor leaders.
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Keeping the thread on subjsct heee heee
Was quite funny during the miners strike me and 3 mates were driving up home from Halton every fri night and back on a sunday, we used to get stopped on the A1 Balby roundabout and checked out by S Yorks finest boys in blue who saw 4 blokes in a car and assumed we were "commuting pickets"
Ref the comments about maggie being so bad, what ever happened to Mr Scargill?? if i recall correctly he did ok for himself
British industry ruined british industry, how many folk have been stuck with a Fri afternoon "british built" car!!
As for IIP made a massive difference at my unit!!! we had a nice plate with IIP on it mounted on the wall, made all the difference, provided good employment for the works services bloke who came and put the plate up and took it down so good job done
Was quite funny during the miners strike me and 3 mates were driving up home from Halton every fri night and back on a sunday, we used to get stopped on the A1 Balby roundabout and checked out by S Yorks finest boys in blue who saw 4 blokes in a car and assumed we were "commuting pickets"
Ref the comments about maggie being so bad, what ever happened to Mr Scargill?? if i recall correctly he did ok for himself
British industry ruined british industry, how many folk have been stuck with a Fri afternoon "british built" car!!
As for IIP made a massive difference at my unit!!! we had a nice plate with IIP on it mounted on the wall, made all the difference, provided good employment for the works services bloke who came and put the plate up and took it down so good job done