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Old 17th Feb 2011, 15:06
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He has no other desire than to serve his country and be the best godammmn fighter pilot in the world
Given that he appears prepared to give up the former to achieve the latter, that statement appears to be only 50% accurate.
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When the Americans pull out of Afghanistan, given their continuing financial deficits, aren't they likely to face big cuts in their military? Sorry for thread creep but surely the American military aren't going to remain immune from these dreadful cuts we are now seeing ?

There are suggestions here that civilians don't know and don't care about the RAF cuts but there is much disbelief and regret amongst friends of mine at the events now befalling the RAF.
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I believe that he has no other choice Mr H and that was precisely the point of the post !
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There are suggestions here that civilians don't know and don't care about the RAF cuts
The message in the press is that there are already too many trained pilots in the pipeline for the existing fleet and as the public know Harrier is gone and MRA4 is gone as well, they probably add two and two together and conclude the answer is four.

Do they care ? Not creating more trained pilots when we already have a surplus is not going to be a matter of outrage for the public who are already looking at their own jobs disappearing.
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and be the best godammmn fighter pilot in the world


Now that I've retired there's a vacancy for that post!
Roj, how uncharactersistically modest of you!
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The Torygraph publishes a letter from CAS today.
Sacking RAF trainees shows that the Government is wrongly directing our money - Telegraph

Interestingly, MoD has just published what it says CAS actually sent to the paper. The paper’s version fails to include a significant bit of trenchant criticism of the paper, including this
I was determined that this should be handled sensitively through the chain of command. However, despite knowing of our intent to provide accurate, timely briefings, your paper chose to publish an initial story which, being apparently based on hearsay, necessarily contained gross inaccuracies, making this task even harder for me and much more painful for those who will be affected. ......Speculation.......may fill your paper but it does nothing to inform those most affected.
I do have to say that CAS’ original is over twice as long as the paper’s version (442 words, as opposed to 192). He can’t have been very well advised by his PR staff if they thought that an editor was likely to accept a letter as long as that. A short article might have been much better. But anyway, anyone who wants to get a particular message across in a letter needs to talk to the letters editor of the paper before sending anything in. It doesn’t sound as if anyone thought to do that.

Incidentally, the other bit the paper missed out was the fact that Dalton is Chief of the Air Staff, which I would have thought was somewhat germane to the whole thing.

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Should the title be changed to a quarter of the RAF aircrew to be sacked?

Or is that an exageration?

As for leaks in the press, Sir Stephen may be too young to remember when the Daily Express was the required breakfast read. In the days before rumour network, well at least electronic ones, lunch in the Club or a Whitehall pub was the main source of information.
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"remember when the Daily Express was the required breakfast read"

If any current newspaper employed a journalist like Chapman Pincher they would now be having a field day
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Dalton

Dalton does not have a good track record when writing to the press.

His letters to the Guardian, Times and Telegraph on 6/7th January last year repeating the MoD party line on Mull of Kintyre were a pack of lies.
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Keep on dreaming Wholigan!!
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Last in first out!!
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When the Americans pull out of Afghanistan, given their continuing financial deficits, aren't they likely to face big cuts in their military? Sorry for thread creep but surely the American military aren't going to remain immune from these dreadful cuts we are now seeing ?

There are suggestions here that civilians don't know and don't care about the RAF cuts but there is much disbelief and regret amongst friends of mine at the events now befalling the RAF.
Being a dual citizen, I like to keep up with how things are going in the states. They are already starting to make cuts. They have cancelled the last two OTS recruitment boards and numbers are down loads on what they used to recruit. I believe they are also looking at getting rid of quite a few junior officers in the not to distant future.
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Hmmm, i wonder what our "friends" in Moscow think about all of this ?
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Or our chums in the South Atlantic; at this rate, whatever HMG and ConDem save from Benefits reform may as well be spent on a ****-off great big red carpet extending from Buenos Aires to Stanley...
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Air Force Times Was reporting 10,000 officers the other week from the USAF going.
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I think "our friends" in Moscow have their own problems to worry about in respect of reorganisation and consolidation following the demise of the Soviet Union and the Baltic States joining Nato.

Incidentally, I always found them very friendly on the occasions I was tasked to go there.
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A 'friend' makes a better spy than an enemy, catz.
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Very true - I was referring to the attitude of the Military.

PS I was also the Unit Security Officer.

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I had a coffee in the Mess at Conginsby once sitting next to a probable Spetnaz Major (judging by the T-shirt) from Kyrgyzstan. He was more interested in the motoring section of Exchange and Mart looking for Lada spares.

Nice chap.
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More to come or deja-vu?

News of a career path denied by a change in circumstances is shattering, but it was the inevitable consequence of the “Autumn Review”. Red Line Entry’s contribution reflected the facts: the cost of hardware has escalated in real terms, so the Nation had either to opt to do less with fewer assets, or prioritise military hardware over, say, healthcare and social security. Decisions as those as hard as those faced, and those which have yet to be faced – of more, anon – may have been ameliorated if HMG had not got embroiled in Iraq and Afghanistan. WWII demonstrated that a country cannot fight a war and re-arm, and also have a decent standard of living. MoD have tried to fight and re-arm whilst the man on the Clapham omnibus was more interested in economic well-being. The assumption was that money grew on trees, which we all know to untrue, and it is an indictment on successive Defence Secretaries and military leaders, that they did not recognize and address the issues of funding.

Watch out over the coming months for a “Spring Review” which results in the rationalization and re-organization of Command structures, of cancellation of more hardware (long-range and rotary), and the closure of bases, and the realization dawns that the Army is only a home-based defence force, and the Navy a coastal defence flotilla. My crystal ball is cloudy but I think I can make out the word “The Best Flying Club in the World”, Squadron Leaders commanding Squadrons, Wing Commanders commanding the Defence and Training Wings, reporting to a Group Captain, and the CAS ranked as a Air Commodore. It’s clouding over, but I think I see military aircraft using only three airfields in a flat fertile area ….
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