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Old 5th Feb 2011, 10:14
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Tarnish who exactly? Movers, RAF, NCO's, British, Pikeys, Smokers...
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Old 5th Feb 2011, 11:48
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Runaway,

"everybody" obviously - he even said it twice!
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Old 5th Feb 2011, 14:09
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The guilty party. Disgraceful.
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Old 5th Feb 2011, 15:19
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There are some serious hypocrites on this forum. Yes the Movers got caught and were rightly jailed, however duing my time at Brize and Lyneham a saw a huge amount of stuff brought into the country by aircrew pretty much all of which was hidden from Customs to avoid paying duty. It may have been on a smaller scale individually but it was still breaking the law. I am not squeaky clean in this respect either but you would think some on this site were angels.....they aren't, they just weren't caught. Nuff said.
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Old 5th Feb 2011, 15:35
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I also remember lowering a pannier from the bomb bay of a Vulcan at Finningley Christmas '64 that was chocker with fresh salmon. The aircraft having just returned from Goose Bay/Gander. Said pannier being hauled off to the officers mess for distribution.
We always used to bring salmon back from Goose in Annie's hatch at the rear of the Victor. As oldbaldeagle pointed out theres no duty payable on salmon, which was bought and paid for at the Hudson Bay Trading Post (a bit like LIDL's but not so up market!). Also remember bringing lobsters back from Stornaway in a Hastings for a ball at Lindholme and the buggers escaped and were wandering all around the rear of the a/c!
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Old 5th Feb 2011, 15:54
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I think 7,000,000 cigarettes for commercial gain is a bit different to an extra bottle of gin here or there - which happens at every major airport in the UK every minute of the working day.

Having said that, I still don't think we need to consider disbanding what is left of the air force for this little crime.
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Old 5th Feb 2011, 16:54
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Looking at the pics in post 26, top right hand image, have they finally caught up with one half of Robson and Jerome (wearing a dodgy wig)?
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Old 5th Feb 2011, 16:57
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I remember, late 80's returning from Deci by 10, sitting next a 10 Sqn crew in the customs hall and having a bit of a chat, then being pulled aside by a customs bod to be told that they were being investigated for drug running.
Yeah , pilots - dodgy or wot!

Cannot complain that they were banged up for fag smuggling, though.
Still, our worst is better than your best!
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Old 5th Feb 2011, 17:52
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So what did happen?

If these werent the guys who had an extra box of 'effects' on the back of the C17 on a repat flight, what happened to them?
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Old 5th Feb 2011, 17:56
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....however duing my time at Brize and Lyneham a saw a huge amount of stuff brought into the country by aircrew pretty much all of which was hidden from Customs to avoid paying duty.
I certainly don't recall any such thing on 101 - all the various Webers, beer and anything else was always declared. The Customs Declaration form for 'enthusiastic shoppers' was always checked rather carefully by the cabin supervisor.

However, our boss had a simple solution - anyone who tried smuggling would be off the overseas trips list for the rest of his tour, except to $hitholes such as MPA. Customs were very fair at Brize, if you declared what you'd bought, they would charge you the minimum possible. An incentive for honesty.

I always used to teach that, if ever the lower hold light came on after the engineer had checked that it was shut and you were somewhere where there was an RAF handling team (Dulles?), shut down and find out why - screw any slot time. Similarly, never allow anyone to unload back at Brize until you'd given the OK. That was to stop 'someone' putting contraband on the jet, then tipping off his accomplice to unload it before the jet was cleared.

It did amuse me when a chap from Kidlington came to do a check ride at the Brize Flying Club; in NATO pullover and 4 gold rings he looked like a senior customs bloke. The Flying Club was next to the cargo hangar - and his appearance caused one or two people a lot of consternation.....
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If these werent the guys who had an extra box of 'effects' on the back of the C17 on a repat flight, what happened to them?
That I always thought was journalistic licence after they had been watching "American Gangster" or "The Presidio"
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Old 5th Feb 2011, 21:24
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I presume that these people will form part of the list for no longer required.

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Its people like this who make it hard for those bringing in their entitlement.
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Old 5th Feb 2011, 21:51
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I certainly don't recall any such thing on 101
Polish your halo there fella - it happened on the other 2 sqns.
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Old 5th Feb 2011, 21:59
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Its people like this who make it hard for those bringing in their entitlement.
If you are within your entitlement, how is it going to hard ? No Laws broken !
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I have an honours degree in hindsight. I recall aircrew being jailed for kiddie porno, nurses being jailed for similar, engineers for drunk driving and scribblies for death by dangerous driving. Bad movers - caught - move on please.
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Old 6th Feb 2011, 08:51
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I personally think its a bit ott printing their pictures....they got caught andhavebeeen punished..end of story
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Old 6th Feb 2011, 08:57
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Whilst I think these 3 got what they deserved, I still cannot understand the system in UK courts these days, when on the same day, in a different court you read this:
The court heard that Ross Thomas and Leonard Bennett, 76, befriended the boy at a gun club and lured him into meeting them on a nearby beach in Gosport, Hants.They would take the boy into public toilets and sexually abuse him. Both were sentenced to 12 months in jail suspended for two years and put on the sex offenders register for ten years at Portsmouth Crown Court.
Yes the act was committed many years ago, but thats only one that has come to light, pedophiles normally repeat their crime. It seems that crimes against the Government, are far more serious than those against the public, no matter what they are.
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Old 6th Feb 2011, 09:09
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Rule no.1: Never, EVER p*ss off HMRC. I believe its one of the only areas of law where innocence has to be proved, and not presumed!
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Old 6th Feb 2011, 09:12
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I certainly don't recall any such thing on 101
Oh Please ! Get over yourself Beagle

Certainly happened at the other AT base - though never to the industrial levels described here.

IIRC, a couple of BZN PTI / PJIs were done for the import of some class A in the late 1980's ?
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Old 6th Feb 2011, 09:12
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It seems that crimes against the Government, are far more serious than those against the public, no matter what they are.
First of all Arthur, I totally agree with your point that paedophile crime, like all sex crime, is very serious, and deserves far more severe punishment than appears to be the case here.

However you seem to be implying that there is such a thing as crime against the government. This indicates a mind-set that seems to think that crimes involving smuggling, tax and revenue fraud etc are crimes that only affect "them" not "us". You should remember that there is no such thing as government money, only public money (ie yours and mine) and crimes like this one under discussion are stealing from us. As far as I'm concerned they are just as guilty as they would have been if they had broken into my house and stole my stuff.

Bang 'em up, I say
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