RAF Movers Jailed:
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There are some serious hypocrites on this forum. Yes the Movers got caught and were rightly jailed, however duing my time at Brize and Lyneham a saw a huge amount of stuff brought into the country by aircrew pretty much all of which was hidden from Customs to avoid paying duty. It may have been on a smaller scale individually but it was still breaking the law. I am not squeaky clean in this respect either but you would think some on this site were angels.....they aren't, they just weren't caught. Nuff said.
I also remember lowering a pannier from the bomb bay of a Vulcan at Finningley Christmas '64 that was chocker with fresh salmon. The aircraft having just returned from Goose Bay/Gander. Said pannier being hauled off to the officers mess for distribution.
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I think 7,000,000 cigarettes for commercial gain is a bit different to an extra bottle of gin here or there - which happens at every major airport in the UK every minute of the working day.
Having said that, I still don't think we need to consider disbanding what is left of the air force for this little crime.
Having said that, I still don't think we need to consider disbanding what is left of the air force for this little crime.
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I remember, late 80's returning from Deci by 10, sitting next a 10 Sqn crew in the customs hall and having a bit of a chat, then being pulled aside by a customs bod to be told that they were being investigated for drug running.
Yeah , pilots - dodgy or wot!
Cannot complain that they were banged up for fag smuggling, though.
Still, our worst is better than your best!
Yeah , pilots - dodgy or wot!
Cannot complain that they were banged up for fag smuggling, though.
Still, our worst is better than your best!
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So what did happen?
If these werent the guys who had an extra box of 'effects' on the back of the C17 on a repat flight, what happened to them?
....however duing my time at Brize and Lyneham a saw a huge amount of stuff brought into the country by aircrew pretty much all of which was hidden from Customs to avoid paying duty.
However, our boss had a simple solution - anyone who tried smuggling would be off the overseas trips list for the rest of his tour, except to $hitholes such as MPA. Customs were very fair at Brize, if you declared what you'd bought, they would charge you the minimum possible. An incentive for honesty.
I always used to teach that, if ever the lower hold light came on after the engineer had checked that it was shut and you were somewhere where there was an RAF handling team (Dulles?), shut down and find out why - screw any slot time. Similarly, never allow anyone to unload back at Brize until you'd given the OK. That was to stop 'someone' putting contraband on the jet, then tipping off his accomplice to unload it before the jet was cleared.
It did amuse me when a chap from Kidlington came to do a check ride at the Brize Flying Club; in NATO pullover and 4 gold rings he looked like a senior customs bloke. The Flying Club was next to the cargo hangar - and his appearance caused one or two people a lot of consternation.....
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If these werent the guys who had an extra box of 'effects' on the back of the C17 on a repat flight, what happened to them?
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I have an honours degree in hindsight. I recall aircrew being jailed for kiddie porno, nurses being jailed for similar, engineers for drunk driving and scribblies for death by dangerous driving. Bad movers - caught - move on please.
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Whilst I think these 3 got what they deserved, I still cannot understand the system in UK courts these days, when on the same day, in a different court you read this:
Yes the act was committed many years ago, but thats only one that has come to light, pedophiles normally repeat their crime. It seems that crimes against the Government, are far more serious than those against the public, no matter what they are.
The court heard that Ross Thomas and Leonard Bennett, 76, befriended the boy at a gun club and lured him into meeting them on a nearby beach in Gosport, Hants.They would take the boy into public toilets and sexually abuse him. Both were sentenced to 12 months in jail suspended for two years and put on the sex offenders register for ten years at Portsmouth Crown Court.
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I certainly don't recall any such thing on 101
Certainly happened at the other AT base - though never to the industrial levels described here.
IIRC, a couple of BZN PTI / PJIs were done for the import of some class A in the late 1980's ?
It seems that crimes against the Government, are far more serious than those against the public, no matter what they are.
However you seem to be implying that there is such a thing as crime against the government. This indicates a mind-set that seems to think that crimes involving smuggling, tax and revenue fraud etc are crimes that only affect "them" not "us". You should remember that there is no such thing as government money, only public money (ie yours and mine) and crimes like this one under discussion are stealing from us. As far as I'm concerned they are just as guilty as they would have been if they had broken into my house and stole my stuff.
Bang 'em up, I say