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Old 25th Sep 2019, 14:01
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France receives its first KC-130J tanker

The French air force received its first of two Lockheed Martin KC-130J tankers at Orleans-Bricy air base on 19 September. The remaining example is planned for delivery in 2020, the airframer says.Paris has ordered four new-generation Hercules, including two C-130J-30 transports received in 2017 and 2018. The -30 features a 4.6m (15ft) fuselage stretch, enabling it to carry two more pallets of equipment.France also operates a fleet of five legacy C-130H transports, with an average age of almost 37 years, Cirium fleets data shows.



The KC-130Js will allow the French air force to for the first time refuel its Airbus Helicopters H225M in-flight, extending the range of the twin-engined transport and combat search and rescue rotorcraft.

France and Germany are, meanwhile, working to establish a joint C-130J squadron. For its part, Berlin plans to acquire three C-130J-30s and three KC-130Js, with the first transport aircraft scheduled to be delivered to the Luftwaffe in mid-2021.

Deliveries are scheduled for completion by 2024, with the assets to be operated from Evreux-Fauville air base in France, which is located between Paris and Normandy.The acquisition of KC-130Js by France and Germany is partly the result of difficulties with clearing the Airbus Defence & Space A400M to refuel helicopters; the certification process for which is ongoing.
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 18:44
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including two C-130J-30 transports received in 2017 and 2018. The -30 features a 4.6m (15ft) fuselage stretch,
No C-130J has been stretched, they were all built as long and short versions.
Indeed, we joked with Lockheed at the time that as the first aircraft off the line were the long versions (Mk 4) the Mk 5 was actually a 'shortened' version.
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So each paratrooper carries a jerry can of AvTur to refuel helos when they land. That's the A400M helicopter refuelling plan...
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g...-idUSKBN1XN157

German military refuses to take delivery of two Airbus A400M planes

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Old 26th Jan 2020, 21:09
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It's all well and good, but the U.K. A400 is struggling just going A to B and then back. It's MDS is a joke, the retention of engineers is none existent, the experience is decreasing. The project is over spent, is not achieving what it set out for, is not meeting targets, is not at task line levels and is years late on where it should be.
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 21:25
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As I understand it even departing A is quite a challenge!
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 22:12
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The 80 troopers are dispensed over 40 seconds, from an aircraft moving at perhaps 200 mph, about 3 miles/minute, so they will be stretched along a two mile long drop zone. Is that tactically useful any more?
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 22:34
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Originally Posted by etudiant View Post
The 80 troopers are dispensed over 40 seconds, from an aircraft moving at perhaps 200 mph, about 3 miles/minute, so they will be stretched along a two mile long drop zone. Is that tactically useful any more?
The question is still valid and will we ever to a mass para drop in anger anymore (rather than just for justifying para pay on salisbury plain)?

- this vid shows hi alt(ish) freefall with fully steerable 'chutes, so DZ size is not overly valid. Also if you look at the amount of flap its got down, I imaging the IAS is quite low (TAS higher depending upon alt of course).

Good for glossy demo and airshow but agreed not much op use?!?
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 08:15
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I know nothing about the A400M but would be astonished if the a/c was doing 200Kts whilst dropping paras or anything else. I wonder how they have solved the para crossover and collision. problems
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 11:06
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AA - 200kts was not mentioned and the video was not sim stick para either - just MFF from the ramp so no idea of the actual TAS or GS.
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Yes, I stand corrected as etudiant mentioned 200 MPH not knots. I assumed he had knowledge ! We dropped at much lower IAS from the C130K when dropping static line para.
We tried everything to stop the troops meeting behind the a/c when sim dropping from the para doors. To little avail. Hence my interest.
IIRC when we dropped HAHO from 35000 ft the 'chutes then in use did not like the relatively high TAS . All a long time ago and memory fades !
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 12:25
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Originally Posted by ancientaviator62 View Post
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Yes, I stand corrected as etudiant mentioned 200 MPH not knots. I assumed he had knowledge ! We dropped at much lower IAS from the C130K when dropping static line para.
We tried everything to stop the troops meeting behind the a/c when sim dropping from the para doors. To little avail. Hence my interest.
IIRC when we dropped HAHO from 35000 ft the 'chutes then in use did not like the relatively high TAS . All a long time ago and memory fades !
The 2 mile spread used assumes a 180 mph aircraft speed, so 90 mph would give a 1 mile drop zone, all very rough numbers to highlight the practical consequences on the ground.
The question is the utility of this exercise.
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Sticking to the scene on the video. Two thing spring to mind. It is not a static line drop and the troops appear to be in 'clean fatigue' ie without the usual kit that an op drop usually burdens the paras with. I agree the larger the sicks the longer the DZ needed. Doing full para, door bundles and wedge from a C Mk 3 took and considerable time.
Still interested if they have cleared the A400M for para door static line drops.
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 09:59
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Originally Posted by ancientaviator62 View Post
Sticking to the scene on the video. Two thing spring to mind. It is not a static line drop and the troops appear to be in 'clean fatigue' ie without the usual kit that an op drop usually burdens the paras with. I agree the larger the sicks the longer the DZ needed. Doing full para, door bundles and wedge from a C Mk 3 took and considerable time.
Still interested if they have cleared the A400M for para door static line drops.
It would appear so: https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/pres...-dispatch.html
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many thanks for the link. I still wonder how they solved the collision problem !
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 17:01
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Originally Posted by ancientaviator62 View Post
I know nothing about the A400M but would be astonished if the a/c was doing 200Kts whilst dropping paras or anything else.
On Albert ISTR that airdrop occurred with 50% flap selected (limit 180kts). Furthermore the ramp and door limiting speed was 150kts as it was for the para doors and deflectors.
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Old 29th Jan 2020, 00:42
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Originally Posted by Tea White Zero View Post
The question is still valid and will we ever to a mass para drop in anger anymore (rather than just for justifying para pay on salisbury plain)?
Both the French and the Americans have carried out large scale operational drops in the last 20 years. Although they were slightly different from the mass sport drop shown above
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