Rockport Walk
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Spurlash, ah! Your max heart rate maybe calculated in relation to your age. Theoretically a younger man has a higher maxium heart rate than an older man.
However an unfit young man may be in danger if he even approached the higher heart rate of an older fit man.
Now like the the calculated max heart rate the RW uses a standard heart rate model. So a fit older man may return fast times as he can walk faster and sustain a higher heart rate, the heart rate of your 23 year old.
So much for statistics then.
However an unfit young man may be in danger if he even approached the higher heart rate of an older fit man.
Now like the the calculated max heart rate the RW uses a standard heart rate model. So a fit older man may return fast times as he can walk faster and sustain a higher heart rate, the heart rate of your 23 year old.
So much for statistics then.
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Ah another fitness initiative/test.....something else I don't miss now I'm a civvy. Last time I went on det I was given a piece of paper with 42 on it (my VO2 Max apparently) and told to give it to my 'line manager' so he could tailor my ongoing fitness regime ha ha. My flt cdr had a nice collection of bits of paper with numbers on them - not sure what he did with them, but I didn't recall any phys getting done.
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The calculators I have used online show that if you get heavier your score goes down?
I have heard today that there has been an 80% failure rate on the new test. Some must be due to the unfitties but i'm sure some are down to the extremely poor briefings given by the PTIs, who obviously don't understand their own test.
I have heard today that there has been an 80% failure rate on the new test. Some must be due to the unfitties but i'm sure some are down to the extremely poor briefings given by the PTIs, who obviously don't understand their own test.
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I'm an old knacker rather than a broken knacker: hence the Rockport Walk. First one they've done at this 'certain station in Lincolnshire' so, having read everyone's posts on the subject, I am fully expecting to fail. I am overweight, m'lud, but I go to the gym 4 times a week and keep myself reasonably fit. I have never failed my fitness test and remember the days when I was told I was now too old, at 40, to complete the MSFT (1998?). How things have changed.
I rocked up for an 0930 test, then the PTI's turned up with a boot full of boxes. Eight of us then opened our boxes to reveal brand new wrist monitors, heart rate senders, CDs and USB devices (plus a 120-page manual). £200 a pop, apparently. Then there was the faff of everyone strapping the senders round their tits and trying to get the kit to work. 'My heart rate says 0945,' someone aid before realising that this was the time on his wristwatchy-thing. It was going to be a trying session....
Almost everyone had a methodology in mind to 'beat the system'. 'The PPrune guys say start slow but really crack out the last lap.' 'No, a PTI advised me to go fast to begin with but ease up on the last lap to reduce the heart rate..' Whatever... I just decided to walk reasonably quickly and to hell with it.
Then there was the briefing from the young PTI. 'Never done this before...don't blame us, we're just having to do the test.....not our idea.... hopefully, this'll get binned.... Only those that failed would be 'contacted', but successful testees would be able to find out in a few ays on JPA.' After 30 minutes of sorting out problems we were ready for the off.
It was freezing outside and the hanging around didn't help. Most off us were wrapped up to the eyeballs. You know the thing, puffa jackets, hats, gloves. One young lady even had a cute little pair of ear muffs on. It felt a bit strange parading around the athletics track like educational retards but we did the business. Times and heart rates reported, off we went to the gym for sit-ups and press-ups, although the gloveless ones complained about their hands being too cold for the press-ups!
So, how did I do? Well.... I don't know. All the data must be entered into a computer and the numbers are duly crunched. All I know was that I was comfortably in the blue for the press-ups and sit-ups. And this is all good evidence for when I'm on the boss's carpet for failing my fitness test when the results are phoned through. I'll let you know!
I rocked up for an 0930 test, then the PTI's turned up with a boot full of boxes. Eight of us then opened our boxes to reveal brand new wrist monitors, heart rate senders, CDs and USB devices (plus a 120-page manual). £200 a pop, apparently. Then there was the faff of everyone strapping the senders round their tits and trying to get the kit to work. 'My heart rate says 0945,' someone aid before realising that this was the time on his wristwatchy-thing. It was going to be a trying session....
Almost everyone had a methodology in mind to 'beat the system'. 'The PPrune guys say start slow but really crack out the last lap.' 'No, a PTI advised me to go fast to begin with but ease up on the last lap to reduce the heart rate..' Whatever... I just decided to walk reasonably quickly and to hell with it.
Then there was the briefing from the young PTI. 'Never done this before...don't blame us, we're just having to do the test.....not our idea.... hopefully, this'll get binned.... Only those that failed would be 'contacted', but successful testees would be able to find out in a few ays on JPA.' After 30 minutes of sorting out problems we were ready for the off.
It was freezing outside and the hanging around didn't help. Most off us were wrapped up to the eyeballs. You know the thing, puffa jackets, hats, gloves. One young lady even had a cute little pair of ear muffs on. It felt a bit strange parading around the athletics track like educational retards but we did the business. Times and heart rates reported, off we went to the gym for sit-ups and press-ups, although the gloveless ones complained about their hands being too cold for the press-ups!
So, how did I do? Well.... I don't know. All the data must be entered into a computer and the numbers are duly crunched. All I know was that I was comfortably in the blue for the press-ups and sit-ups. And this is all good evidence for when I'm on the boss's carpet for failing my fitness test when the results are phoned through. I'll let you know!
Something I found on the net about the Rockport Walk:
Objective
The objective of this test is to monitor the development of the athlete's VO2max.
Analysis
Analysis of the result is by comparing it with the results of previous tests. It is expected that, with appropriate training between each test, the analysis would indicate an improvement.
Target Group
This test is suitable for sedentary individuals but not for individuals where the test would be contraindicated.
Reliability
Test reliability refers to the degree to which a test is consistent and stable in measuring what it is intended to measure. Reliability will depend upon how strict the test is conducted and the individual's level of motivation to perform the test.
Validity
Test validity refers to the degree to which the test actually measures what it claims to measure and the extent to which inferences, conclusions, and decisions made on the basis of test scores are appropriate and meaningful. This test provides a means to monitor the effect of training on the athlete's physical development. For an assessment of your Vo2max see the VO2max normative data tables.
Soooooooooooooo, the test is designed to monitor the effect of training on the "athlete's" physical development................the very thing to be used for a pass/fail test then
Objective
The objective of this test is to monitor the development of the athlete's VO2max.
Analysis
Analysis of the result is by comparing it with the results of previous tests. It is expected that, with appropriate training between each test, the analysis would indicate an improvement.
Target Group
This test is suitable for sedentary individuals but not for individuals where the test would be contraindicated.
Reliability
Test reliability refers to the degree to which a test is consistent and stable in measuring what it is intended to measure. Reliability will depend upon how strict the test is conducted and the individual's level of motivation to perform the test.
Validity
Test validity refers to the degree to which the test actually measures what it claims to measure and the extent to which inferences, conclusions, and decisions made on the basis of test scores are appropriate and meaningful. This test provides a means to monitor the effect of training on the athlete's physical development. For an assessment of your Vo2max see the VO2max normative data tables.
Soooooooooooooo, the test is designed to monitor the effect of training on the "athlete's" physical development................the very thing to be used for a pass/fail test then
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Can you post a link to the place where you found those details please. I have kind of heard enough re. all this. I think a letter to the Stn Cmdr, Wg Cdr, PEdO followed by a meeting with the staish is now required!!!
Can you post a link to the place where you found those details please. I have kind of heard enough re. all this. I think a letter to the Stn Cmdr, Wg Cdr, PEdO followed by a meeting with the staish is now required!!!
I don't know what all you lot are complaining about!
There was an article in the RAF News about the Rockport walk a few weeks ago, where a reporter an a senior officer did it together. They didn't report any problems with the test, so it must be all right.......mustn't it?
P.S. The saga as related by DSAT Man at post 26 could only happen in the RAF (actually sadly it could probably happen at many places in the UK!!). The PEdO (or senior PTI) at his base should be sacked. Knowing that they were required to administer the Rockport Test, the idea that the PTIs hadn't already acquainted themselves with the kit, and tried a dry run or two on themselves, should be unbelieveable in even a semi efficient organization - unfortunately his tale does not surprise me in the slightest. You would have thought I was old enough to know by now how the RAF actually works.....or doesn't!!!!
There was an article in the RAF News about the Rockport walk a few weeks ago, where a reporter an a senior officer did it together. They didn't report any problems with the test, so it must be all right.......mustn't it?
P.S. The saga as related by DSAT Man at post 26 could only happen in the RAF (actually sadly it could probably happen at many places in the UK!!). The PEdO (or senior PTI) at his base should be sacked. Knowing that they were required to administer the Rockport Test, the idea that the PTIs hadn't already acquainted themselves with the kit, and tried a dry run or two on themselves, should be unbelieveable in even a semi efficient organization - unfortunately his tale does not surprise me in the slightest. You would have thought I was old enough to know by now how the RAF actually works.....or doesn't!!!!
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Morning all.
Physio has just informed me that I am broken enough to do the RW. Knowing nothing about it, I set out to find some background gen via Google (loads of info and a link to this thread) and a rummage through the PEd Flt folders on the Station drives.
On the PEd Flt drive I found something interesting that would explain why some people are being given lower results than expected. It was the spreadsheet used to record results and calculate the VO2max score. It wasn't protected (bit of an oops as it lists names, weights and results!) and a check of the formulae throws up a bit of interesting gen.
The formula that is all over the Internet and backed by years of research and results is as follows:
132.853 - (0.0769 × Weight) - (0.3877 × Age) + (6.315 × Gender) - (3.2649 × Time) - (0.1565 × Heart rate)
It's also used by the RAF, BUT ONLY FOR THE OVER 40's. Anyone under 40 has their VO2max calculated with the following:
51.047 - (0.271 x Weight) - (0.231 x Age) + (8.339 x Gender) + (635.012 x 1/Time) - (0.225 x Heart rate)
No idea where they got that calculation from, I can't find it on the Net anywhere! I've also got no idea why an alternative calculation is required for the under 40's when age is taken into account within the formula anyway.
What I do know is that when punching in some figures to get a borderline pass using the online figures, I fail on the under 40 sum used by the RAF.
Why can't our Lords and Masters just leave things as they are for a change?
Physio has just informed me that I am broken enough to do the RW. Knowing nothing about it, I set out to find some background gen via Google (loads of info and a link to this thread) and a rummage through the PEd Flt folders on the Station drives.
On the PEd Flt drive I found something interesting that would explain why some people are being given lower results than expected. It was the spreadsheet used to record results and calculate the VO2max score. It wasn't protected (bit of an oops as it lists names, weights and results!) and a check of the formulae throws up a bit of interesting gen.
The formula that is all over the Internet and backed by years of research and results is as follows:
132.853 - (0.0769 × Weight) - (0.3877 × Age) + (6.315 × Gender) - (3.2649 × Time) - (0.1565 × Heart rate)
It's also used by the RAF, BUT ONLY FOR THE OVER 40's. Anyone under 40 has their VO2max calculated with the following:
51.047 - (0.271 x Weight) - (0.231 x Age) + (8.339 x Gender) + (635.012 x 1/Time) - (0.225 x Heart rate)
No idea where they got that calculation from, I can't find it on the Net anywhere! I've also got no idea why an alternative calculation is required for the under 40's when age is taken into account within the formula anyway.
What I do know is that when punching in some figures to get a borderline pass using the online figures, I fail on the under 40 sum used by the RAF.
Why can't our Lords and Masters just leave things as they are for a change?
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TLS, in the formula there is an 'unknown' constant - gender. What is the numerical value for gender?
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Male = 1 , Female = 0.
See here:
Brianmac Rockport Test
There's loads of info on the Rockport Test out there. What there is very little of out there is info on the RAF version of the test. From the website above:
* 132.853 - (0.0769 × Weight) - (0.3877 × Age) + (6.315 × Gender) - (3.2649 × Time) - (0.1565 × Heart rate)
Where:
* Weight is in pounds (lbs)
* Gender Male = 1 and Female = 0
* Time is expressed in minutes and 100ths of minutes
* Heart rate is in beats/minute
* Age is in years
STH
See here:
Brianmac Rockport Test
There's loads of info on the Rockport Test out there. What there is very little of out there is info on the RAF version of the test. From the website above:
* 132.853 - (0.0769 × Weight) - (0.3877 × Age) + (6.315 × Gender) - (3.2649 × Time) - (0.1565 × Heart rate)
Where:
* Weight is in pounds (lbs)
* Gender Male = 1 and Female = 0
* Time is expressed in minutes and 100ths of minutes
* Heart rate is in beats/minute
* Age is in years
STH
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yeh i done it today there was 2 of us both failed and again imputted my results on to 2 different rockport walk calculators and my result from pti was a lot lower than what the calculators said i think its raf way of getting rid of injured people without med discharge them saves money
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Failed the bike test in 1999, but never failed a fitness test. Best BFT was 8.32 and up till 2006 did Army CFTs (with weight) every 4 weeks. Tried the Rockport and failed. Thank god only a few years to go and I would encourage anybody to show my poor attitude to fitness.
There are some very strong employment/equality issues which might bite on the backside.
PS. All my staff are encouraged to take phys at least 3 times a week in the Queen's time, irrespective of workload.
? Positive Attitude.
There are some very strong employment/equality issues which might bite on the backside.
PS. All my staff are encouraged to take phys at least 3 times a week in the Queen's time, irrespective of workload.
? Positive Attitude.