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New Falklands War Brewing

Old 24th Jan 2012, 11:41
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That's on the assumption that the runway isn't targeted - not easy but not impossible if you are prepared to accept losses.
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Old 24th Jan 2012, 12:49
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why is it that the crabs fail to understand that the absolute crux of the FI defence is air power?
Cokecan: what evidence do you have for your rather inflammatory statement? I think the RAF have a pretty good idea that air defence is the crux which is why there's an airfield plus Typhoons down there which can be reinforced should the need arise. Presumably you'd like more but you can't ship a significant portion of the RAF FJ force down there, with all the problems of support & personnel rotation, for an unspecified period based on an undefined threat.

The RAF has suffered huge cuts in FJ numbers and it wouldn't be tenable to base a load more aircraft in the FI just to ward off a bit of shouting from Argentina, not to mention the accusations of escalation.
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Old 24th Jan 2012, 14:49
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That's on the assumption that the runway isn't targeted
Time to unwrap the Harriers?
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Old 24th Jan 2012, 15:45
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Naughty Naughty - WEBF is doubtless composing another episode of his diatribe.
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Old 24th Jan 2012, 22:52
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If Venezuela became involved it would be easier for Uncle Sam to justify the lone to us of B2 to be flown by a suitably qualified RAF exchange pilot. Flown from Ascension I guess most of South America could be covered by one refueling for Black Buck VIII?
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Old 24th Jan 2012, 23:38
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Question

Where would Chile sit on this now ?
Anwser

With the large number of Chilean contractors on the Islands, very on our side.
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 04:57
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Just recently we were told by Brigadier Aldridge that the FI's were safe from attack.

Today, Gen Sir Michael Jackson tells us:

"The Falklands will be lost forever if Argentina invades again, one of Britain's senior military figures has warned"
While Argentine President Cristina Kirchner vows to "reclaim" the Malvinas adding that Britain is a "Crass colonial power in decline." Video here.

On that last point she may be right!
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 12:43
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Mike Jackson thinks we're stuffed

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Old 29th Jan 2012, 13:18
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Originally Posted by General Sir Mike Jackson
We have a large international-sized airfield to allow for very rapid reinforcement by air, should circumstances so require. But I suppose I have learned in life, never say never. What if an Argentinian force was able to secure the airfield? Then our ability to recover the islands now would be just about impossible.
Not only would it deny us our airhead and sole operating base, it would mean the bad guys have two air bases on the islands. What oposition would Fuerza Aérea Argentina face if they had an interational sized airfield to operate from and we had none. Not even a flat top?

Sir Mike is seldom wrong.
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 13:32
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Mach two,


Purely hypothetical fantasist nonsense!

Look at the current capabilities of the Argentine armed forces and then compare to what is permanently present on and around the Falklands.

The chances of a successful assault on MPA would appear to be absolute zero.

Add in some moderate reinforcement, or even the THREAT of reinforcement, and it becomes a joke.
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 13:43
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The chances of a successful assault on MPA would appear to be absolute zero.

Add in some moderate reinforcement, or even the THREAT of reinforcement, and it becomes a joke.


The chances of War between Britain and Germany in 1939 was ZERO, the Prime Minister had a piece of paper proving that fact.


World War 2 never happened did it?
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 13:52
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World War 2 never happened did it?
I have it on good authority that WW2 was started by Vera Lynn's agent
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 13:55
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drop a few missiles or shells from a ship on the fuel dump at Ascension,and the threat of reinforcement becomes negligible. Add a prolonged period of winter gales or fog and the reinforcing aircraft would have to divert to Argentina
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 13:57
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pr00ne,

Originally Posted by pr00ne
Purely hypothetical fantasist nonsense!
Thank you for your kind words and reasoned argument.

You are probably half right in that Sir Mike was putting forward a hypothisis. I suspect that his wisdom and experience places him in a position of authority to do so on matters such as this. Although I'm sure you know the disposition of Fuerzas Armadas de la República Argentina better than he.

What we don't know is what that will be in a few years time. We are getting a pretty good idea of what ours will be.

Never say never.
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 13:57
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I've read General Jackson's interview, he seems to think that otherwise, the smallness of our Armed Forces today is no problem, that we'll get sufficient advanced warning of a pending conflict with, shall we say, an industrialised enemy state. If that's the case what's everyone bleating about, as pr00ne says, the military hardware in the Falklands presently makes them a tough proposition for them to invade successfully.

Do the Argentinian's still have a serviceable aircraft carrier by the way?

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Old 29th Jan 2012, 14:16
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" Do the Argentinian's still have a serviceable aircraft carrier by the way?"


Or enough protection, if any to stop it ending up at the bottom of the Ocean
before it even gets close to the Islands ?
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 14:24
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" Do the Argentinian's still have a serviceable aircraft carrier by the way?"

nope cut up for razor blades in 1999

Their amphibious fleet consists of a t42 minus the sea dart on which they can get 2 sea kings and 2 large rib inflatables carrying a re-enforced company and 3 amphibious freighters (round table class minus the beaching capability)

they'd struggle to repeat 1982 never mind dislodge what's on the islands now

this is quite amusing and recognisable..........

Refighting The Falklands War Threads - ARRSEpedia
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 14:26
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Do the Argentinian's still have a serviceable aircraft carrier by the way?
Although the Argentine carrier Veinticinco de Mayo was retired in 1997, the naval air forces of Argentina do still maintain at least a basic level of shipborne operating skills, through co-operation with the Brazilian navy.....

...and with the USN. Although with the USN, operations are limited to practice approaches and touch-and-go landings only.

Whereas the UK has no fixed wing assets capable of shipborne operation and is unlikely to have any organic naval air power for a decade - unless things change pretty dramatically. But I doubt whether Argentine interest in the Islas Malvinas will be the catalyst.
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 14:38
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I like this from ARRSE:
[t+0:45:00] The RAF turn up late and point out that the four Typhoons at RAF Mt. Pleasant mean that the Argie air force would be able to "recover their downed pilots from the middle of the South Atlantic by the light of the burning ships of their invasion force".
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 15:13
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I commend the ARRSE thread to everyone.

Far wittier that this thread. Significantly better informed and much more insightful.

Hopefully the last word on the subject for a few years...but I doubt it.
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