Aerobatic Teams- G Suits
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It appears RAFAT do all wear G-Pants as do their back-seaters when flying ISPs (In-season Practice) as is proved by this picture gallery:
G-Pants - Images | Richard Baker
G-Pants - Images | Richard Baker
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See a little vid I took a while back (excuse the terrible camerawork).
You can see G-meter showing 6, which was the max throughout the low level display that day. NO G-pants for any backseaters that day.
You can see G-meter showing 6, which was the max throughout the low level display that day. NO G-pants for any backseaters that day.
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Richard,
I suggest that your excellent pictures show the Reds pilots wearing G-pants, in red suits and in green before PDA; none are back seaters. The back seaters cannot wear G-pants during displays or ISPs for safety reasons involving interference with controls.
I suggest that your excellent pictures show the Reds pilots wearing G-pants, in red suits and in green before PDA; none are back seaters. The back seaters cannot wear G-pants during displays or ISPs for safety reasons involving interference with controls.
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Thanks Clockwork,
In Cyprus - Akrotiri - Red Arrows | Richard Baker we see Sir Jock having climbed out of the back of Red 1's jet and I was going to add that he is wearing the pants - only he's not. But I wore G-pants in my first flight (a singleton) plus during ISPs on several occasions with strict instructions to keep my knees apart. I did as I was told.
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In Cyprus - Akrotiri - Red Arrows | Richard Baker we see Sir Jock having climbed out of the back of Red 1's jet and I was going to add that he is wearing the pants - only he's not. But I wore G-pants in my first flight (a singleton) plus during ISPs on several occasions with strict instructions to keep my knees apart. I did as I was told.
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Well several flights over several years and never wore g pants, as many have mentioned, due to interference with controls and as I recall from Valley you frequently caught the backseaters g pants fouling the stick on full and free.
Not sure how the picture gallery could have proved anything but was that a picture of the sadly passed Matt Jarvis I saw?
Not sure how the picture gallery could have proved anything but was that a picture of the sadly passed Matt Jarvis I saw?
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Squeegee, was it just me or did that seem to be a propper greaser of a landing in the video? He hardly seemed to flare, just shut the throttle and whacked it down. Im no expert and as far as im concerned the Red Arrows are the best in the world, just curious.
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I was on the FCC at the Dubai airshow in the early 90s and the Russians sent a little prop driven aerobat to display (along with lots of big noisy jets!). I asked the pilot what g level he flew to during the display. Quite nonchalantly he said "Oh, plus 12 and minus 12!......but if I don't feel up to it, I don't do the minus 12 bit" and he didn't wear a g-suit!
Bicster.....you're not supposed to "grease" the Hawk onto the runway. A "firm and positive" touchdown is the recommended technique.
Bicster.....you're not supposed to "grease" the Hawk onto the runway. A "firm and positive" touchdown is the recommended technique.
It is indeed possible (or certainly was) for the rear seat occupant's AEA to interfere with the controls if the front seat occupant applies large aileron inputs without warning.
Whilst on a Hawk refresher course, I flew in the back on a weather check with a pilot who decided to practise his aerobatic sequence. He hadn't briefed me about the content of the sequence, nor did he call each manoeuvre. So I was caught by surprise when he suddenly applied full aileron without warning and the bomb flap snagged on one of my kneepads (this was just before the days of external turning trousers), being caught by the velcro flap securing the kneepad pocket (again, later suits had a different kneepad pocket design).... Fortunately I quickly freed it - but it had certainly surprised him!
Whilst on a Hawk refresher course, I flew in the back on a weather check with a pilot who decided to practise his aerobatic sequence. He hadn't briefed me about the content of the sequence, nor did he call each manoeuvre. So I was caught by surprise when he suddenly applied full aileron without warning and the bomb flap snagged on one of my kneepads (this was just before the days of external turning trousers), being caught by the velcro flap securing the kneepad pocket (again, later suits had a different kneepad pocket design).... Fortunately I quickly freed it - but it had certainly surprised him!
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Had the honour and privilege to fly several trips with the Reds, including 30 minutes trying to teach Lingy (Red 7) to stop using the rudder and keep the jet in balanced flight. Anyway, these trips were all flown without wearing any anti-g trousers in the back, and included several applications of a ridiculous amount of g.
If you ever get even half a chance you simply have to go see it for real!
If you ever get even half a chance you simply have to go see it for real!
