Telegraph: Britain forms plan for Gulf evacuation in event of war with Iran
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Anyone question why Iran shouldnt have the bomb? I am sick of having it rammed down my throat, despite the Iranians having to deal with their next door neighbors brimmed to the teeth with Jericho.
Perhaps if the west didnt display unbelievable double standards in this respect. Hasnt anyone considered that a cold war in the middle east could in effect end the hot one that has gone on for years in the region?
If Tehran was ever to try it on, they know they are going to get turned to glass.
Perhaps if the west didnt display unbelievable double standards in this respect. Hasnt anyone considered that a cold war in the middle east could in effect end the hot one that has gone on for years in the region?
If Tehran was ever to try it on, they know they are going to get turned to glass.
The UK government could make the bold step and realise that Iran is going to be the major future power in the region and co-operate with them to bring much needed stability.
Viewed dispassionately, Israel’s unwillingness to get on with her neighbours seems to be a bigger problem than any nuclear weapons in Iran. If there were no such weapons in Israel would the Iranians even be bothering with them?
I expect all the existing Extraction Plans had to be torn up and rewritten when the MPA capability was lost, but they were under constant review when I was in anyway.
Viewed dispassionately, Israel’s unwillingness to get on with her neighbours seems to be a bigger problem than any nuclear weapons in Iran. If there were no such weapons in Israel would the Iranians even be bothering with them?
I expect all the existing Extraction Plans had to be torn up and rewritten when the MPA capability was lost, but they were under constant review when I was in anyway.
I don't believe that Israel has vowed to wipe any of its neighbours off the face of the planet, yet. Unlike some of its neighbouring countries. I suppose there is time. Maybe that's why they have difficulty with some (but not all) of their neighbours.
Would Iran have developed nuclear weapons without the presence of Israeli weapons? Possibly, Probably.
Would Iran have developed nuclear weapons without the presence of Israeli weapons? Possibly, Probably.
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Would Iran be developing the bomb had the Israelis not had it?
With nuclear India and Pakistan not far away? Too bloody right she would.. The fact that the Israelis have nukes is neither here nor there. Very easy to pick on Israel in this type of discussion. Dont forget though that on the day she was formed by the UN, Israel came under attack from 3 sides. She didnt attack anyone else.
And if my memory serves me correctly, most of the times that she has attacked, it has been as a response, as against pre-emptively with some notable exceptions:
1) Following the PLO into Lebanon in 82
2) If I remember rightly either 1967 or 1973 was a pre-emptive strike taking out the Egyptian Air Force on the ground.
3) Osirak
Im pretty sure most of the rest of the occasions she has responded in kind have been exactly that - responses, not acting as the aggressor.
The situation on the ground re the Palestinians is a whole other barrel of sardines. Neither side has covered itself in glory where that is concerned.
What we are likely to see going forward is likely to be the 2000's equivalent of our 1950's MAD with Iran and Israel in a Mexican stand off. Whichever chooses to attack knows that it will in response be turned into a glass car park, which, despite any fiery rhetoric from either side should keep the lid on it, although it may ratchet up the tension from time to time.
With nuclear India and Pakistan not far away? Too bloody right she would.. The fact that the Israelis have nukes is neither here nor there. Very easy to pick on Israel in this type of discussion. Dont forget though that on the day she was formed by the UN, Israel came under attack from 3 sides. She didnt attack anyone else.
And if my memory serves me correctly, most of the times that she has attacked, it has been as a response, as against pre-emptively with some notable exceptions:
1) Following the PLO into Lebanon in 82
2) If I remember rightly either 1967 or 1973 was a pre-emptive strike taking out the Egyptian Air Force on the ground.
3) Osirak
Im pretty sure most of the rest of the occasions she has responded in kind have been exactly that - responses, not acting as the aggressor.
The situation on the ground re the Palestinians is a whole other barrel of sardines. Neither side has covered itself in glory where that is concerned.
What we are likely to see going forward is likely to be the 2000's equivalent of our 1950's MAD with Iran and Israel in a Mexican stand off. Whichever chooses to attack knows that it will in response be turned into a glass car park, which, despite any fiery rhetoric from either side should keep the lid on it, although it may ratchet up the tension from time to time.
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Jabba, there have been a fair few nuclear scientists go up in smoke in the past year or two. Unprovoked? It certainly wasnt sanctioned by the UN was it?
And lets not forget the actions they carried out against the British in Palestine.
Terrorism 1940 - 1949
And lets not forget the actions they carried out against the British in Palestine.
Terrorism 1940 - 1949
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Unfortunately its not 'Iran' that is the problem per se, as I'm let to believe that the majority are rather pleasant and welcoming. Its the people in charge and the religious fundamentalist who are rattling the sabres.
As ever, its the few who will cause misery for the masses.
Someone who has visited Iran told me that you can feel the atmosphere change the closer you get to Tehran.
As ever, its the few who will cause misery for the masses.
Someone who has visited Iran told me that you can feel the atmosphere change the closer you get to Tehran.
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Anyone question why Iran shouldnt have the bomb? I am sick of having it rammed down my throat, despite the Iranians having to deal with their next door neighbors brimmed to the teeth with Jericho.
Below the Glidepath - not correcting
Not sure if these pictures of the Royal Navy's remaining evacuation fleet are sensitive or not...
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Would Iran be developing the bomb had the Israelis not had it?
With nuclear India and Pakistan not far away? Too bloody right she would....
With nuclear India and Pakistan not far away? Too bloody right she would....
Anyways, going by your logic it would be legitimate if Argentina developed the bomb, with nuclear Britain not far away. And off course they have much greater rights to Falklands than some imperialist government sitting 8000 miles away. Worryingly, Cubans would seem to have an even stronger case.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Anyone question why Iran shouldnt have the bomb?
2. They are a theocracy lead by those who a publicly uttered belief in the imminent return of the 12th Imam and an intent to remove Israel from the map. It leads to the thought that they will not behave in what other believe is a rational manner.
3. They are one side in a Sunni/Shia, Arab/Persian regional power and arms race. Both Turkey and Saudi Arabia are known to urgently pressing ahead with development/procurement of their own ballistic missiles and ability to produce their own warheads. Others are probably doing the same. Do you really want the whole new Middle East armed with nuclear warheads in the hands of mutually antagonistic theocracies?
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Perhaps if the west didnt display unbelievable double standards in this respect. Hasnt anyone considered that a cold war in the middle east could in effect end the hot one that has gone on for years in the region?
Job done...
I fear they are not as considered as our former Soviet antagonists.
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Many UAE projects are Iranian investments
But as we know that does not hold water in the extreme situations that can evolve from the thinking mans freedom fighters.
In general the UAE is safe, but it might be wise to remain clear of too many obvious American or British projects.
I was also in the Irish Village last week and got a totally different message from the populus, or was it the Guinness.
However should the UAE be attacked, do it now as the country is closed for another holiday.
glf
In general the UAE is safe, but it might be wise to remain clear of too many obvious American or British projects.
I was also in the Irish Village last week and got a totally different message from the populus, or was it the Guinness.
However should the UAE be attacked, do it now as the country is closed for another holiday.
glf
To be honest I would be very surprised if there aren't UK contingency plans in place for most countries perceived at risk.
Actually probably just a number of cities in the UK
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
I fear they are not as considered as our former Soviet antagonists.
As far a nuclear policies are concerned I think the phrase "It is not Her Majesty's Government policy to confirm or deny . . ."
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Yeah, but he's also said that, ""holding these arms is a sin as well as useless, harmful and dangerous". And even the IAEA has accepted that they have a nuclear weapons programme.
So pardon me for being a teensy bit cynical.
So pardon me for being a teensy bit cynical.
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Having nukes would guard against any future attack by the west. So I would imagine thats the biggest reason they want them, also the fact it puts them in a rather elite club.
I have many Iranian friends, all hate the regime and are really great people.
I cannot say I really want to see a nuclear armed Iranian regime or any other nations with nukes in general (especially in that region) but considering we have nukes I don't know what moral right we have to tell others they cannot have them!
At the same time despite all the talk I don't think the Iranian regime would be stupid enough to use them, it would invite the total destruction of Iran and end of the regime, not what they want at all!!!!! I think to remain in power at all costs is their biggest concern.
I fear for my Iranian friends a lot right now, if there was a ever a large scale war with Iran I would fear for them even more. Such a shame that such great people have to live under such a terrible regime. Another reason all these ''revolutions'' in the region worry me!
I have many Iranian friends, all hate the regime and are really great people.
I cannot say I really want to see a nuclear armed Iranian regime or any other nations with nukes in general (especially in that region) but considering we have nukes I don't know what moral right we have to tell others they cannot have them!
At the same time despite all the talk I don't think the Iranian regime would be stupid enough to use them, it would invite the total destruction of Iran and end of the regime, not what they want at all!!!!! I think to remain in power at all costs is their biggest concern.
I fear for my Iranian friends a lot right now, if there was a ever a large scale war with Iran I would fear for them even more. Such a shame that such great people have to live under such a terrible regime. Another reason all these ''revolutions'' in the region worry me!
And, at the other side, one from the Guardian/Observer
Turkey requested Nato missile defences over Syria chemical weapons fears | World news | The Guardian
One hopes that does not start up, in particular if the wind is in the wrong direction, otherwise it will open a can of worms no one will be able to close.
Turkey requested Nato missile defences over Syria chemical weapons fears | World news | The Guardian
One hopes that does not start up, in particular if the wind is in the wrong direction, otherwise it will open a can of worms no one will be able to close.
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he expatriate population has grown to more than 100,000 in the UAE alone
Aye right why should we put decent men and women in harm's way for tax avoiders
F*ck em
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"1. They signed NPT and have to fulfil their obligations. If not sanctions have to be imposed and obeyed to give all other signature nations pause for thought, otherwise you might as well tear it up."
Might as well tear it up as a few countries - US, Australia - seem quite happy to supply gear to non signatories - India being one.
"1. They signed NPT and have to fulfil their obligations. If not sanctions have to be imposed and obeyed to give all other signature nations pause for thought, otherwise you might as well tear it up."
Might as well tear it up as a few countries - US, Australia - seem quite happy to supply gear to non signatories - India being one.