Civil Service Redundancy Package
You know, I bet Really Annoyed is the sort of daily mail reader who gets stuck in a loop when told that Immigrants are the natural prey of Paedophiles...
I would waste time responding to the ill informed, completely innacurate rubbish he's spouting, but as he hasn't bothered to read any of the threads details, which would show that he's talking complete b*llocks, I suspect he would just go off on another rant, prior to writing a letter to the editor of the daily mail with lots of angry words in it.
I've spent years of my life, working with the RAF and seeing first hand what an incredibly professional first rate organisation it is. Along the way, I've done a lot that directly has helped them keep aircraft in the air, and aircrew (and rockapes too) alive. I'm rather proud of that, but as I don't wear a growbag, and have the audacity to be a civilian, I will now go and repeatedly beat myself with a stick while chanting 'I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy'...
I would waste time responding to the ill informed, completely innacurate rubbish he's spouting, but as he hasn't bothered to read any of the threads details, which would show that he's talking complete b*llocks, I suspect he would just go off on another rant, prior to writing a letter to the editor of the daily mail with lots of angry words in it.
I've spent years of my life, working with the RAF and seeing first hand what an incredibly professional first rate organisation it is. Along the way, I've done a lot that directly has helped them keep aircraft in the air, and aircrew (and rockapes too) alive. I'm rather proud of that, but as I don't wear a growbag, and have the audacity to be a civilian, I will now go and repeatedly beat myself with a stick while chanting 'I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy'...
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For her 20yrs service her pension would be £4,714 per year with a lump sum of £14,143.
....and there will be people made redundant who fall into this bracket, some by months rather then years.
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The stats suggest that every UK job has 19 applicants going for it. A Recruitment chap on Sky TV this morning stated that the fiqure for career jobs was nearer to 30 per position.
So now lets take an RAF Sgt aged 40 who as he joined at age 20 has not yet completed his 22 year pensionable engagement. Have to confess that I too thought he would get nothing beyond a small bronze goodbye and a state pension at age 65 and climbing. What therefore are the facts? ....because anybody with subordinates could be putting their foot in it big time come March if we do not know.
So now lets take an RAF Sgt aged 40 who as he joined at age 20 has not yet completed his 22 year pensionable engagement. Have to confess that I too thought he would get nothing beyond a small bronze goodbye and a state pension at age 65 and climbing. What therefore are the facts? ....because anybody with subordinates could be putting their foot in it big time come March if we do not know.
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Yozzer,
A male born in 1970 is currently scheduled to draw their State Pension at 67 (watch and shoot). If he left the Service at say, the 21 year point, he'd be entitled to a Preserved Pension/Pension Revision/Terminal Grant etc at 60/65 (dependent on 75 or 05), but all he'd get when leaving would be the Resettlement Grant. So, yes - people need to plan ahead - the sooner the better.
I don't know where you are posted, but I'm at Odiham and Kinloss again in Jan, doing some more financial awareness briefings.
A male born in 1970 is currently scheduled to draw their State Pension at 67 (watch and shoot). If he left the Service at say, the 21 year point, he'd be entitled to a Preserved Pension/Pension Revision/Terminal Grant etc at 60/65 (dependent on 75 or 05), but all he'd get when leaving would be the Resettlement Grant. So, yes - people need to plan ahead - the sooner the better.
I don't know where you are posted, but I'm at Odiham and Kinloss again in Jan, doing some more financial awareness briefings.
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For her 20yrs service her pension would be £4,714 per year with a lump sum of £14,143.
A serviceman who leaves before completing 22 years gets no pension at all.
....and there will be people made redundant who fall into this bracket, some by months rather then years.
Sorry, should have said. It's only because she is over 55, under that she would recieve no pension either!
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For her 20yrs service her pension would be £4,714 per year with a lump sum of £14,143.
A serviceman who leaves before completing 22 years gets no pension at all.
....and there will be people made redundant who fall into this bracket, some by months rather then years.
Sorry, should have said. It's only because she is over 55, under that she would recieve no pension either!
Prey tell what do you two brave pen pushers do that helps get a military aircraft airborne?
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There you go again, Mr Annoyed. A totally blinkered outlook at life. The only time I have anything to do with a paperclip/staple is when attaching 731s to a job card.
I have never spent time in an office, prefering to work on the hangar floor where I have been since leaving the RAF 10 years ago. ALL of my time has been spent working alongside the service guys keeping the aircraft flying on ops. I have worked well beyond my conditioned hours to ensure that the crews get their frames and I will not let some misinformed idiot spew out a load of drivel trying to say that all civilian MOD employees are non-productive wasteofspaces.
I may be taking the bait but my workmates and many like us work bloody hard to keep the workload as low as possible at the squadron level, they work hard enough as it is.
So let it go, Mr Annoyed, your comments show what a sad man you are.
By the way, what office do you work in?
I have never spent time in an office, prefering to work on the hangar floor where I have been since leaving the RAF 10 years ago. ALL of my time has been spent working alongside the service guys keeping the aircraft flying on ops. I have worked well beyond my conditioned hours to ensure that the crews get their frames and I will not let some misinformed idiot spew out a load of drivel trying to say that all civilian MOD employees are non-productive wasteofspaces.
I may be taking the bait but my workmates and many like us work bloody hard to keep the workload as low as possible at the squadron level, they work hard enough as it is.
So let it go, Mr Annoyed, your comments show what a sad man you are.
By the way, what office do you work in?
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If I were to jump to conclusions just as Really Annoying does, then I would assume that, due to his protestations as to who should and should not post here, he is currently serving as military aircrew. As for his comments in regards to CS sitting in offices then I can only assume that he lives in a blinkered world where he has never seen a civvy bowser driver who brings the fuel to his aircraft, has never eaten an in flight meal which may have been prepared by a civvy chef, has never seen the MT driver who hauls an aircraft engine from one end of the country to the other for an AOG. All of these people may be members of the CS, just as some of them may be contractors.
I am sure those of you who understand the military and the CS can see the point I am making. Unfortunately Really Annoying will carry on like the t****r he is, hurling insults at anyone who cares to listen with blissful ignorance of the subject of which he speaks.
John
I am sure those of you who understand the military and the CS can see the point I am making. Unfortunately Really Annoying will carry on like the t****r he is, hurling insults at anyone who cares to listen with blissful ignorance of the subject of which he speaks.
John
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After a long read of this thread, I am of the opinion that Really Annoyed is just fishing and has caught some tiddlers.
........either that or he REALLY is a narrow minded individual lacking in the knowledge of the workings of the MoD. 
........either that or he REALLY is a narrow minded individual lacking in the knowledge of the workings of the MoD.
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I'm a teacher now after my 22 years as a techy, saw the writing on the wall when Gordon went into meltdown and applied for an early pension at 55 which is next Feb. I'm damn glad I did because I've no doubt that Cameron et al will bump up superann and reduce pension payouts for all CS.
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As ex aircrew of even greater than Beagles vintage I feel I have something to contribute at times to the genuine debates on this forum. The moderators invite me to comment and maybe even start a subject, I think a more welcoming attitude to all sensible contributors would greatly improve the quality of discussion. Whingers for whingers sake not welcome.
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The current generation of officers carve a career out of reinventing the wheel on a 2 year cycle. It's encouraged and actually required for promotion.
The problem exists when those that have trodden the path before point out that square wheels don't work. Neither do hexagonal or triangular wheels.
Those whose future careers depend on reinventing the wheel in any other form but the previous incumbents often get defensive when faced with sage advice from the old and bold.
That's why there is occasional bitterness towards posts from those who have left, and why this forum must continue to welcome them.
The problem exists when those that have trodden the path before point out that square wheels don't work. Neither do hexagonal or triangular wheels.
Those whose future careers depend on reinventing the wheel in any other form but the previous incumbents often get defensive when faced with sage advice from the old and bold.
That's why there is occasional bitterness towards posts from those who have left, and why this forum must continue to welcome them.
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Thank you mgd - explained perfectly! (can I stay then?? 
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Edited to add: and we can keep cliffnemo too!!
)Edited to add: and we can keep cliffnemo too!!
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[QUOTESorry, but it takes four of you to listen to a radio, sit in a landrover and pick up a phone? No wonder a third of you are getting the sack.][/QUOTE]
No its the aircrew that are scared and can't turn on radio on.
And we are'nt getting the sack !
No its the aircrew that are scared and can't turn on radio on.
And we are'nt getting the sack !
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CS are carp .... there is too many of them ... I am one ... please let me go, I know I am a scarce discipline but I have had enough of the bloody infighting and cost cutting ... so please can I go voluntarily ..... just line my palm with cash .....
