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Hi two's in.
Sorry for any confusion, but I was referring to the galvanized steel dustbin (trashcan) looking thing on feet, that had a chimney set into it, and was used to heat water.
For large food containers used in field kitchens, we used an insulated metal box known as a 'hay box', and for liquid, large flasks known as Norwegians.
Sorry for any confusion, but I was referring to the galvanized steel dustbin (trashcan) looking thing on feet, that had a chimney set into it, and was used to heat water.
For large food containers used in field kitchens, we used an insulated metal box known as a 'hay box', and for liquid, large flasks known as Norwegians.
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I remember the "woof" from the trash can water heaters as you finally managed to reach ignition point on some, by now, very hot kero. Just to establish my tartan flask and cagoul credentials, weren't the insulated containers the hay box and the vessels inside the dixies? Anyone can be a spotter, but it takes details to be professional grade boring,
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Challanger wasn't deployed for political reasons not the image Nu Lab wanted to project. Supported by Generals from the Maroon machine who believe anything that can't be thrown out the back of a herc is useless.
The Light is right mentality that swept the Army post SDR has cost lives and the sooner it is corrected the better. There will always be a place for heavy armour wether the Paras like it or not. After Al Faw the marines were very keen on Challanger.
The Army is actually to small and out of balance to be easily corrected in the short term but the treasury see it as an easy source for cuts and when we leave Afghanistan the next "Peace Dividend" will see the army slashed further wonder what size airforce will be needed to support that?
less than is already planned!
The Light is right mentality that swept the Army post SDR has cost lives and the sooner it is corrected the better. There will always be a place for heavy armour wether the Paras like it or not. After Al Faw the marines were very keen on Challanger.
The Army is actually to small and out of balance to be easily corrected in the short term but the treasury see it as an easy source for cuts and when we leave Afghanistan the next "Peace Dividend" will see the army slashed further wonder what size airforce will be needed to support that?
less than is already planned!
Nurse,
The peace dividend post Afg (aka the 2015 SDR) will cut the army to the size that we actually can support with the AT/SH forces we'll have, at a stroke closing the lift gap identified by the NAO - genius!!
The peace dividend post Afg (aka the 2015 SDR) will cut the army to the size that we actually can support with the AT/SH forces we'll have, at a stroke closing the lift gap identified by the NAO - genius!!
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Originally Posted by barnstormer1968
For large food containers used in field kitchens, we used an insulated metal box known as a 'hay box', .....
I do recall the water-heaters you refer to, but don't have a clue what they were called, down the blunt end you got to wash in what you carried on your belt, unless you were unlucky enough to be going anywhere near RHQ.
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It was called a "lazyman" and was a dustbin, with a length of pipe welded/attached to the top of the lid, which was then put, inverted, onto the dustbin. There was also a "spout" welded/attached to the side of the bin, about 9" down from the top. Fill with cold water and apply heat source to bottom of said "lazyman". When hot water was required simply pour in cold through the inverted lid and hot would come out of the spout. Simples. Regards to all; CB.
Clearly, they were locally manufactured!
It was called a "lazyman" and was a dustbin, with a length of pipe welded/attached to the top of the lid, which was then put, inverted, onto the dustbin. There was also a "spout" welded/attached to the side of the bin, about 9" down from the top. Fill with cold water and apply heat source to bottom of said "lazyman". When hot water was required simply pour in cold through the inverted lid and hot would come out of the spout. Simples. Regards to all; CB.
Clearly, they were locally manufactured!
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I always knew them as "Canadian Burners" and you'll still find them in Coy/Sqn stores.
Here they call them Puffin Billy
YouTube - puffin billy
Floppy
Here they call them Puffin Billy
YouTube - puffin billy
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Thanks for the three posts above.
Yes, the item in the clip is what we are all probably talking about, albeit calling it a different name!
In my regiment they were known as dixies, and on the rare occasions I was ever in a position to use them they were a godsend for 'washing water' on cold days.
Army mover.
I take your point about RHQ's, and SHQ's for that matter. It was always bizarre to come into a large location after spending some time out in the field. I would be happy to be able to take off my boots for the very first time in two weeks, and would have to listen to someone moaning about how they had been served a hot chicken meal for two days in a row
How very harsh for them
Yes, the item in the clip is what we are all probably talking about, albeit calling it a different name!
In my regiment they were known as dixies, and on the rare occasions I was ever in a position to use them they were a godsend for 'washing water' on cold days.
Army mover.
I take your point about RHQ's, and SHQ's for that matter. It was always bizarre to come into a large location after spending some time out in the field. I would be happy to be able to take off my boots for the very first time in two weeks, and would have to listen to someone moaning about how they had been served a hot chicken meal for two days in a row
How very harsh for them
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wasn't the reducing the Army to what we can support the aim of
Options for Change
Frontline First
SDR
Ammendment to SDR
and finally the current exercise
and when
Northern Ireland wound up Peace dividend
FRY Peace dividend
And in 2015 another peace dividend
all of the above were meant to cut the army to what we can support but has been revealed the treasury has never funded the full number of LSN's in the army so I wonder what the shortfall in places to funding will be post 2015?
Options for Change
Frontline First
SDR
Ammendment to SDR
and finally the current exercise
and when
Northern Ireland wound up Peace dividend
FRY Peace dividend
And in 2015 another peace dividend
all of the above were meant to cut the army to what we can support but has been revealed the treasury has never funded the full number of LSN's in the army so I wonder what the shortfall in places to funding will be post 2015?
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Ah, the old homemade mortar. You would never have caught me mortaring the WRAF Block at Akr by using thunderflashes, lighter fluid, bodge tape (black nasty for the army) and beer tins either, no sirree.
Given its ongoing diversification though, I wonder if the army will find a use for this?
BBC News - The new vehicle set to revolutionise the skies
Given its ongoing diversification though, I wonder if the army will find a use for this?
BBC News - The new vehicle set to revolutionise the skies
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you still have soyer cookers in your QM's?
story was last ones in British service went down on the Atlantic Convoyer
Have used them since leaving service and they so much better than the echelon mortat/puffin billy. Much more flexible as well you can cook on them to. They burn wood,coal,charcoal,peat are easier and safer to light. down side they are a bit bigger. But served the military well from Crimean war to the early 90's
you still have soyer cookers in your QM's?
story was last ones in British service went down on the Atlantic Convoyer
Have used them since leaving service and they so much better than the echelon mortat/puffin billy. Much more flexible as well you can cook on them to. They burn wood,coal,charcoal,peat are easier and safer to light. down side they are a bit bigger. But served the military well from Crimean war to the early 90's
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"One interesting thought about the Challenger 2 though is; I thought Sir David Richardshad already determined that heavy armour, along with the R.A.Fs fast and noisy stuff were cold war anachronyisms? No longer relevant to all the wars we're expecting in the future which will all be just like fighting the Taliban".
Talking of Cold War weaponry - Apache? A geat bit of kit, but very definately designed for the Cold War.
"One interesting thought about the Challenger 2 though is; I thought Sir David Richardshad already determined that heavy armour, along with the R.A.Fs fast and noisy stuff were cold war anachronyisms? No longer relevant to all the wars we're expecting in the future which will all be just like fighting the Taliban".
Talking of Cold War weaponry - Apache? A geat bit of kit, but very definately designed for the Cold War.
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Never heard off or seen a soyer cooker. Not surprised the last went down with the Atlantic Convoyer. Every excuse the army gave for years for not having something was " it went down on the Atlantic Convoyer " No wonder it sank with all that kit it had on board.
Floppy
Never heard off or seen a soyer cooker. Not surprised the last went down with the Atlantic Convoyer. Every excuse the army gave for years for not having something was " it went down on the Atlantic Convoyer " No wonder it sank with all that kit it had on board.
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Yozzer, only if you are "PC" - not much chance of that on this site- thank God (sorry, there are other deieties available - just so I don't offend someone - oh bugger - is that me being PC? I'll be sure to have a word with myself!). So, lazyman it is then?
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Just wondered if anyone saw this inth Sun today
Sun man joins patrol in Afghanistan badlands | The Sun |News|Campaigns|Our Boys
"Acting second-in-command Capt Chris Lambe, 27 - shot in the knee during another battle in 2009 - said: "It was the mother of all firefights in this spot - the heaviest contact we have seen." The Allied forces were pinned down for 20 minutes in a tree-lined irrigation ditch.
Colour Sergeant Ian Green, 37, said: "We returned fire but they shot back at us which is unusual. They usually shoot and scoot."
One Afghan soldier was dazed when a grenade exploded nearby.
Danish troops supporting the Brits and Afghans opened up from Leopard tanks. And the overwhelmed Taliban fighters eventually fled"
They are a force multiplyer and perhaps the powers that be decided that it might be better to provide some of our own MBT's rather than let them rust away in Catterick
Sun man joins patrol in Afghanistan badlands | The Sun |News|Campaigns|Our Boys
"Acting second-in-command Capt Chris Lambe, 27 - shot in the knee during another battle in 2009 - said: "It was the mother of all firefights in this spot - the heaviest contact we have seen." The Allied forces were pinned down for 20 minutes in a tree-lined irrigation ditch.
Colour Sergeant Ian Green, 37, said: "We returned fire but they shot back at us which is unusual. They usually shoot and scoot."
One Afghan soldier was dazed when a grenade exploded nearby.
Danish troops supporting the Brits and Afghans opened up from Leopard tanks. And the overwhelmed Taliban fighters eventually fled"
They are a force multiplyer and perhaps the powers that be decided that it might be better to provide some of our own MBT's rather than let them rust away in Catterick
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Danish troops supporting the Brits and Afghans opened up from Leopard tanks. And the overwhelmed Taliban fighters eventually fled"